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[newtech-1] Valuation question
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Betty Wright Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:13 PM
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Hi out there!
Hope all is well with everyone. Just wanted to see if anyone could offer up advice on how to create a valuation and a pro forma to present to future investors? My project is a mobile app.
Thank you and any advice is greatly appreciated.
Best,
Betty Wright
Miles Rose Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:34 PM
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money sets the valuation.
best you look for similar companies with similar offerings and learn what their valuation was when they were at your stage of development.
Other methods of value are liquidity event pricing.
valuation is negotiation, every deal is different.
M
Betty Wright Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:50 PM
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Thanks Miles!
Hope you are well! Can you suggest what types of numbers I should look for? From competitors maybe? Also, what type of expert should I contact for help with this? A lawyer or accountant maybe?
Best,
Betty
Miles Rose Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:59 PM
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techcrunch should have all the numbers you need.
best to talk to experienced angels and see what they do, thats the marketplace and the reality of the money.
M
Prabhat Sinha Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:18 PM
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Betty
Hello.
A lawyer or an Accountant dont do the best job for this - it is a business analyst's job. Someone who knows the business and the industry trends; preferably has a background in the mobile app domain of your choosing. If you can get a good business analyst, you have resolved the issue. There are many others who source investors - and often they do the job themselves.
Hope that helps.
Prabhat
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Miles Rose Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:29 PM
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i beg to differ with you an accountant or attorney with considerable experience in doing these deals is your best bet, real world experience, business analysts look at numbers and not the people process, which can only be gained from doing deals, and at early valuation stage its more about the people.
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Prabhat Sinha Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:42 PM
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Miles,
Possible, and I respect your views.
I advised based on my personal experience..
Prabhat
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Betty Wright Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:16 PM
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Thank you very much Prabhat! I really appreciate the advice.
I hope everything is good on your end!!!
Best,
Betty
E-cognosys LLC
3445 Washington Drive, Suite 200 Eagan, MN 55122
Telephone: 651-452-7242
Fax: 651-452-8001
Email: us@ecognosys.com
India:
E-cognosys Information Systems Pvt. Ltd.
Unit No 411C, Floral Deck Plaza, Central MIDC Road, Andheri (E), Mumbai 400093. INDIA
Tel: +91-22-40159212
mail: psinha@ecognosys.com
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Betty Wright Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:24 PM
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Ok. Miles. Good point. I will keep that in mind.
Thank you!
On Aug 6, 2013 1:31 PM, 'Miles Rose' wrote:
i beg to differ with you an accountant or attorney with considerable experience in doing these deals is your best bet, real world experience, business analysts look at numbers and not the people process, which can only be gained from doing deals, and at early valuation stage its more about the people.
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Damion Hankejh Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:27 PM
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Agreed -- in the end, someone else will set your valuation, but you can inform them with realistic* projections. It is easier to walk back into those numbers by keeping in mind that angels/early investors are seeking 5-10x their investment within 5 years -- some angels have different metrics (I angle for deals I believe will generate more than $1M in equity value within one year of a seed round investment, but have more complicated metrics for the bigger picture).
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Damion Hankejh | ingk.com/d
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Miles Rose wrote:
techcrunch should have all the numbers you need.
best to talk to experienced angels and see what they do, thats the marketplace and the reality of the money.
M
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Thanks Miles!
Hope you are well! Can you suggest what types of numbers I should look for? From competitors maybe? Also, what type of expert should I contact for help with this? A lawyer or accountant maybe?
Best,
Betty
On Aug 6, 2013 12:36 PM, 'Miles Rose' wrote:
money sets the valuation.
best you look for similar companies with similar offerings and learn what their valuation was when they were at your stage of development.
Other methods of value are liquidity event pricing.
valuation is negotiation, every deal is different.
M
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Hi out there!
Hope all is well with everyone. Just wanted to see if anyone could offer up advice on how to create a valuation and a pro forma to present to future investors? My project is a mobile app.
Thank you and any advice is greatly appreciated.
Best,
Betty Wright
Bill Greenbaum Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:52 PM
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Betty,
Are you looking for a good business analyst?
I might be able to suggest one, no promises.
-Bill Greenbaum
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Ok. Miles. Good point. I will keep that in mind.
Thank you!
On Aug 6, 2013 1:31 PM, 'Miles Rose' wrote:
i beg to differ with you an accountant or attorney with considerable experience in doing these deals is your best bet, real world experience, business analysts look at numbers and not the people process, which can only be gained from doing deals, and at early valuation stage its more about the people.
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Prabhat Sinha wrote:
Betty
Hello.
A lawyer or an Accountant dont do the best job for this - it is a business analyst's job. Someone who knows the business and the industry trends; preferably has a background in the mobile app domain of your choosing. If you can get a good business analyst, you have resolved the issue. There are many others who source investors - and often they do the job themselves.
Hope that helps.
Prabhat
On 06-Aug-2013, at 12:53 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Thanks Miles!
Hope you are well! Can you suggest what types of numbers I should look for? From competitors maybe? Also, what type of expert should I contact for help with this? A lawyer or accountant maybe?
Best,
Betty
On Aug 6, 2013 12:36 PM, 'Miles Rose' wrote:
money sets the valuation.
best you look for similar companies with similar offerings and learn what their valuation was when they were at your stage of development.
Other methods of value are liquidity event pricing.
valuation is negotiation, every deal is different.
M
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Hi out there!
Hope all is well with everyone. Just wanted to see if anyone could offer up advice on how to create a valuation and a pro forma to present to future investors? My project is a mobile app.
Thank you and any advice is greatly appreciated.
Best,
Betty Wright
Prabhat Sinha
psinha@ecognosys.com
+1 917 822 2684
Skype: prabhat-sinha
www.ecognosys.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/sinhaprabhat
E-cognosys LLC
3445 Washington Drive, Suite 200 Eagan, MN 55122
Telephone: 651-452-7242
Fax: 651-452-8001
Email: us@ecognosys.com
India:
E-cognosys Information Systems Pvt. Ltd.
Unit No 411C, Floral Deck Plaza, Central MIDC Road, Andheri (E), Mumbai 400093. INDIA
Tel: +91-22-40159212
mail: psinha@ecognosys.com
M: +91 9833812777
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Betty Wright Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:08 PM
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Thank you very much Damion for sharing your thought and ideas!
I appreciate the advice.
Best,
Betty
On Aug 6, 2013 2:29 PM, 'Damion Hankejh' wrote:
Agreed -- in the end, someone else will set your valuation, but you can inform them with realistic* projections. It is easier to walk back into those numbers by keeping in mind that angels/early investors are seeking 5-10x their investment within 5 years -- some angels have different metrics (I angle for deals I believe will generate more than $1M in equity value within one year of a seed round investment, but have more complicated metrics for the bigger picture).
---
Damion Hankejh | ingk.com/d
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM, Miles Rose wrote:
techcrunch should have all the numbers you need.
best to talk to experienced angels and see what they do, thats the marketplace and the reality of the money.
M
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Thanks Miles!
Hope you are well! Can you suggest what types of numbers I should look for? From competitors maybe? Also, what type of expert should I contact for help with this? A lawyer or accountant maybe?
Best,
Betty
On Aug 6, 2013 12:36 PM, 'Miles Rose' wrote:
money sets the valuation.
best you look for similar companies with similar offerings and learn what their valuation was when they were at your stage of development.
Other methods of value are liquidity event pricing.
valuation is negotiation, every deal is different.
M
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Hi out there!
Hope all is well with everyone. Just wanted to see if anyone could offer up advice on how to create a valuation and a pro forma to present to future investors? My project is a mobile app.
Thank you and any advice is greatly appreciated.
Best,
Betty Wright
David Rosen Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 3:15 PM
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Betty
I am not sure that it is a good idea to try to provide a written quantitatively derived valuation. There are just too many unknowns for a number that anyone could or should rely on. My view is that it is generally best coming up with a proposed valuation from discussions with other start-up founders and negotiations with the investors without providing quantitative back-up.
As a general legal matter, when preparing a business plan or other document for the investors, avoid any absolutes or language that could be viewed as a guaranty. If you determine that you must provide projections, appropriate caveat language absolutely should be used, that you could find from other business plans that were reviewed professionally - but if you can avoid projections it is better, for a number of reasons, including that it reduces your risk of being hoisted on your own petard if things take longer or are harder than you anticipate - which in life and business is more often the case than not.
--
Best regards,
David
David Rosen
Rosen Associates
Specializing in intellectual property, technology and business transactions and internet, technology and intellectual property centric businesses.
Tel: 914-941-0293
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Disclaimer: My post has been written for educational purposes only and was not meant to be and should not be relied upon as legal advice. You should always consult an attorney for legal advice based on your particular facts and circumstances.
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Betty,
Are you looking for a good business analyst?
I might be able to suggest one, no promises.
-Bill Greenbaum
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Ok. Miles. Good point. I will keep that in mind.
Thank you!
On Aug 6, 2013 1:31 PM, 'Miles Rose' wrote:
i beg to differ with you an accountant or attorney with considerable experience in doing these deals is your best bet, real world experience, business analysts look at numbers and not the people process, which can only be gained from doing deals, and at early valuation stage its more about the people.
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Prabhat Sinha wrote:
Betty
Hello.
A lawyer or an Accountant dont do the best job for this - it is a business analyst's job. Someone who knows the business and the industry trends; preferably has a background in the mobile app domain of your choosing. If you can get a good business analyst, you have resolved the issue. There are many others who source investors - and often they do the job themselves.
Hope that helps.
Prabhat
On 06-Aug-2013, at 12:53 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Thanks Miles!
Hope you are well! Can you suggest what types of numbers I should look for? From competitors maybe? Also, what type of expert should I contact for help with this? A lawyer or accountant maybe?
Best,
Betty
On Aug 6, 2013 12:36 PM, 'Miles Rose' wrote:
money sets the valuation.
best you look for similar companies with similar offerings and learn what their valuation was when they were at your stage of development.
Other methods of value are liquidity event pricing.
valuation is negotiation, every deal is different.
M
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Hi out there!
Hope all is well with everyone. Just wanted to see if anyone could offer up advice on how to create a valuation and a pro forma to present to future investors? My project is a mobile app.
Thank you and any advice is greatly appreciated.
Best,
Betty Wright
Prabhat Sinha
psinha@ecognosys.com
+1 917 822 2684
Skype: prabhat-sinha
www.ecognosys.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/sinhaprabhat
'UNLOCK THE POWER OF YOUR DATA'
E-cognosys LLC
3445 Washington Drive, Suite 200 Eagan, MN 55122
Telephone: 651-452-7242
Fax: 651-452-8001
Email: us@ecognosys.com
India:
E-cognosys Information Systems Pvt. Ltd.
Unit No 411C, Floral Deck Plaza, Central MIDC Road, Andheri (E), Mumbai 400093. INDIA
Tel: +91-22-40159212
mail: psinha@ecognosys.com
M: +91 9833812777
Betty Wright Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:24 PM
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Thank you David. You offer some good suggestions. I know the investor and I know he wants to see numbers. There are some (not too many) competitors in the market already that have raised serious funding. Over 1.2M
My product offers better functionalities,,a patent pending, my vision and passion etc. So I need to get these financials together asap. I am trying to do this on my own but feel I need an expert in the field to help me out.
Best to you!
Betty
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Betty Wright Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:29 PM
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Hi Bill,
I'm looking for help and or someone to do the valuation for/with me. I am open and appreciative of any referral you can offer.
Best,
Betty
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Yangbo Du Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 7:54 PM
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Betty
Have you made any revenue projections? A starting point for valuation would be four to five times revenue, though team and product-related considerations will invariably affect any extrapolations you make. Having staffed the inaugural Pipeline Fellows conference on angel investing nearly two years ago, I have the guide to valuing early-stage startups from the conference workshop on hand (albeit only in hard copy) and am more than happy to connect you with my contacts from that event. Feel free to e-mail me off-list in case you have additional questions.
Best wishes as you move forward ramping up your startup!
Cheers
Yangbo Du
Le mardi 6 août 2013, Betty Wright a écrit :
Thank you David. You offer some good suggestions. I know the investor and I know he wants to see numbers. There are some (not too many) competitors in the market already that have raised serious funding. Over 1.2M
My product offers better functionalities,,a patent pending, my vision and passion etc. So I need to get these financials together asap. I am trying to do this on my own but feel I need an expert in the field to help me out.
Best to you!
Betty
On Aug 6, 2013 3:16 PM, 'David Rosen' wrote:
Betty
I am not sure that it is a good idea to try to provide a written quantitatively derived valuation. There are just too many unknowns for a number that anyone could or should rely on. My view is that it is generally best coming up with a proposed valuation from discussions with other start-up founders and negotiations with the investors without providing quantitative back-up.
As a general legal matter, when preparing a business plan or other document for the investors, avoid any absolutes or language that could be viewed as a guaranty. If you determine that you must provide projections, appropriate caveat language absolutely should be used, that you could find from other business plans that were reviewed professionally - but if you can avoid projections it is better, for a number of reasons, including that it reduces your risk of being hoisted on your own petard if things take longer or are harder than you anticipate - which in life and business is more often the case than not.
--
Best regards,
David
David Rosen
Rosen Associates
Specializing in intellectual property, technology and business transactions and internet, technology and intellectual property centric businesses.
Tel: 914-941-0293
Tel2: 646-417-8262
Fax: 646-963-9031
Email: drosen@go2rosenlaw.com
Disclaimer: My post has been written for educational purposes only and was not meant to be and should not be relied upon as legal advice. You should always consult an attorney for legal advice based on your particular facts and circumstances.
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Jonathan Vanasco Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:39 PM
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Betty-
The valuation for an early stage company is entirely made up.
A business analyst / lawyer / accountant can come up with a nice formula that will talk about your assets , monthly revenue , expenses , etc.
But, honestly, anyone with a two braincells and excel spreadsheet can do that.
I often get asked to look over numbers for investors and corps. I'd say that 99% of the time, the numbers and business plans are completely wrong and way off the mark. Founders make really dumb assumptions. Business Analysts / accountants/ etc often don't know what the heck they're talking about -- they don't understand the industry ( if they did, they'd be in it ). Advertising revenue is often either grossly inflated or severely undervalued; same with licensing and PS. All the good investors know that - they're wondering if there's any real value in there; but it largely doesn't affect their decision. They're more interested in the people and the product.
Your best bet as an early stage company is to push for Seed Round financing under the terms of a Convertible Note, where your company remains unvalued until a future round of financing. You get some cash, build and market the app, and hopefully have enough traction to raise a Series A or exit, at which point the early investors get to exchange the note for stock at the current valuation ( they get the benefit of compounded interest and a discount on shares bought, which can often mean 35% more buying power ).
Unless you generated a lot of money for an investment firm in the past and they're eager to re-invest with you, you will have an incredibly bad experience trying to value and raise investment for an unbuilt mobile app. This will largely be because you'll be busy marketing against investors who typically don't do risky tech investments and are coming at things from the standard 'east coast' private equity investment mentality of 'what's in it for me?'.
IMHO, at the stage you're in, you should really to focus your energy on people/groups who are familiar with this space and say things like 'I like you, I like this idea, I want this to happen, I think you can do it, I'm willing to invest X/Y/Z and introduce you to these 10 people'. It might also make sense for you to try and get into an incubator/accelerator program. At an early stage, going after the typical numbers driven investor types tends to be lot harder to successfully pull of, it takes a lot of energy , leads to fewer connections , and leaves you with less time to focus on your product, customers and team.
If you're serious about going after this investor , then do what most other people do -- start with the end numbers that will impress him, then back into them by devising various product lines.
On Aug 6, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Thank you David. You offer some good suggestions. I know the investor and I know he wants to see numbers. There are some (not too many) competitors in the market already that have raised serious funding. Over 1.2M
My product offers better functionalities,,a patent pending, my vision and passion etc. So I need to get these financials together asap. I am trying to do this on my own but feel I need an expert in the field to help me out.
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Prabhat Sinha Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:23 PM
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Yes - all is well Betty and I am back in NYC.
How is it going with you? and I was hesitant in asking but I am awaiting to hear from you.
Prabhat
On 06-Aug-2013, at 2:18 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Thank you very much Prabhat! I really appreciate the advice.
I hope everything is good on your end!!!
Best,
Betty
On Aug 6, 2013 1:20 PM, 'Prabhat Sinha' wrote:
Betty
Hello.
A lawyer or an Accountant dont do the best job for this - it is a business analyst's job. Someone who knows the business and the industry trends; preferably has a background in the mobile app domain of your choosing. If you can get a good business analyst, you have resolved the issue. There are many others who source investors - and often they do the job themselves.
Hope that helps.
Prabhat
On 06-Aug-2013, at 12:53 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Thanks Miles!
Hope you are well! Can you suggest what types of numbers I should look for? From competitors maybe? Also, what type of expert should I contact for help with this? A lawyer or accountant maybe?
Best,
Betty
On Aug 6, 2013 12:36 PM, 'Miles Rose' wrote:
money sets the valuation.
best you look for similar companies with similar offerings and learn what their valuation was when they were at your stage of development.
Other methods of value are liquidity event pricing.
valuation is negotiation, every deal is different.
M
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Hi out there!
Hope all is well with everyone. Just wanted to see if anyone could offer up advice on how to create a valuation and a pro forma to present to future investors? My project is a mobile app.
Thank you and any advice is greatly appreciated.
Best,
Betty Wright
Prabhat Sinha
psinha@ecognosys.com
+1 917 822 2684
Skype: prabhat-sinha
www.ecognosys.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/sinhaprabhat
'UNLOCK THE POWER
OF YOUR DATA'
E-cognosys LLC
3445 Washington Drive, Suite 200 Eagan, MN 55122
Telephone: 651-452-7242
Fax: 651-452-8001
Email: us@ecognosys.com
India:
E-cognosys Information Systems Pvt. Ltd.
Unit No 411C, Floral Deck Plaza, Central MIDC Road, Andheri (E), Mumbai 400093. INDIA
Tel: +91-22-40159212
mail: psinha@ecognosys.com
M: +91 9833812777
Prabhat Sinha
psinha@ecognosys.com
+1 917 822 2684
Skype: prabhat-sinha
www.ecognosys.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/sinhaprabhat
Information transmitted in this message is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the addressee you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone and you should destroy this message and kindly notify the sender by reply email. Opinions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of the company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. We do not accept liability for any viruses that may be transmitted in or with this message or attachments. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this e-mail, this e-mail and the information contained in it or attached to it shall not create any binding contractual relationship between the recipient or any other party and E-cognosys.
Prabhat Sinha Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 10:52 PM
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Bill,
If you feel it is appropriate, I would like to meet the business analyst as well. I am in search for a couple of projects coming up.
Appreciate
Prabhat
On 06-Aug-2013, at 7:31 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Hi Bill,
I'm looking for help and or someone to do the valuation for/with me. I am open and appreciative of any referral you can offer.
Best,
Betty
Betty,
Are you looking for a good business analyst?
I might be able to suggest one, no promises.
-Bill Greenbaum
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Ok. Miles. Good point. I will keep that in mind.
Thank you!
On Aug 6, 2013 1:31 PM, 'Miles Rose' wrote:
i beg to differ with you an accountant or attorney with considerable experience in doing these deals is your best bet, real world experience, business analysts look at numbers and not the people process, which can only be gained from doing deals, and at early valuation stage its more about the people.
Peter Burgess Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:51 AM
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Dear Betty ... Colleagues
Maybe I can help, maybe I cannot.
I have been at the cutting edge of technology, not once but several times and appreciate to some extent what amazing possibilities there are at the present time. However, when it comes to technology I am no longer in the game. I wish I was!
On the other hand I have been a corporate CFO and have a pretty good idea about accounting at every stage of enterprise creation and development, and how to create some accounting pro-forma's on top of the emerging business plan. Maybe I am a bit old fashioned ... but that might be a plus. I finished my formal education when Eisenhauer was President!
I am prepared to invest a cup of coffee (somewhere in Manhattan) to talk about this and help put together some projections. I do know what a spreadsheet is ... since I started with Visicalc!
Peter Burgess
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Peter Burgess Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 12:54 AM
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Prabhat Sinha Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 4:04 PM
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Peter,
I would like to meet you. Don't know what may come out of it. But there are a few co-ventures that my company, as a technology developer is engaged in; and those products continue to require top quality business plan including their valuations.
Let me invite you for a coffee. Will it be appropriate if I may ask you for a confirmation mail on my id: psinha@ecognosys.com?
Thanks and look forward.
Prabhat
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Peter Burgess Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 12:04 AM
To: psinha@ecognosys.com
Dear Prabhat
I have to be in DC tomorrow and not sure when I will resurface in New York.
Hopefully we could meet in Manhattan sometime next week. What works for you?
Please do not expect a quick response from me during the next 48 hours ... but will get back to you over the weekend.
Peter
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prabhat sinha Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 1:09 PM
To: Peter Burgess
Peter,
Thanks for your mail.
Next week works for me well.
Looking forward.
Prabhat
Roman Fichman Esq. Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 5:17 PM
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Betty, Miles, is correct. Each deal is different
For the most part early stage valuation is a exercise in fantasy and has little bearing on real economics
It does however relate to the 1) potentiality of the idea, 2) the ability of the team to execute, 3) what others in the space have done, 4) how experienced/inexperienced the investor is and 5) how good of a story weaver you are.
the basic formula: smoke + mirrors + pressures = early stage valuation
In practicality you need to quantify the above variables and pick and choose data that makes the most sense for your project or create favorable presumptions based on existing data (if such data is not relevant or does not reflect your point of view).
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Betty Wright Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 10:02 PM
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Thank you very much Roman. I really do appreciate your thoughts and advice. Have a nice weekend!
Betty
Alyssa Martina Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:05 PM
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Betty, how far along is your startup? What milestones have you accomplished to date? Do you have any assets to speak of? The more you can cobble together value, the higher your valuation may be.
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Thanks Miles!
Hope you are well! Can you suggest what types of numbers I should look for? From competitors maybe? Also, what type of expert should I contact for help with this? A lawyer or accountant maybe?
Best,
Betty
On Aug 6, 2013 12:36 PM, 'Miles Rose' wrote:
money sets the valuation.
best you look for similar companies with similar offerings and learn what their valuation was when they were at your stage of development.
Other methods of value are liquidity event pricing.
valuation is negotiation, every deal is different.
M
On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Betty Wright wrote:
Hi out there!
Hope all is well with everyone. Just wanted to see if anyone could offer up advice on how to create a valuation and a pro forma to present to future investors? My project is a mobile app.
Thank you and any advice is greatly appreciated.
Best,
Betty Wright
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