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UK ELECTION 2024 TIMES RADIO TALKS WITH LORD ROSE Times Radio: Brexit put Britain in crisis - and politicians aren’t talking about it PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgJqv0Byrf8 Peter Burgess COMMENTARY Peter Burgess
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Transcript 0:00 I'm quite shocked still that the one word that hasn't been mentioned much during this election is the brexit word you know I think that was the greatest act of national harm that this country's probably done for a century well in a minute we're going to be speaking to the conservative peer Lord Stuart Rose but first let's hear from times radio senior political correspondent Patrick Maguire who joins me in the studio now um Patrick it's been a funny old day on the campaign Trail hasn't it no sort of key story emerging but this story about the betting Scandal isn't going away it really isn't Kathy and I think the most significant thing the Prime Minister has said on that front today is that when asked whether he could guarantee no cabinet minister had placed a bet on the date of the election he did not deny that now we already know from conservative Campaign Headquarters that a small number of individuals who've been identified as having placed uh bets on the election we know about rich cat's close Protection Officer we know about Laura Saunders and Craig Williams the conservative candidates and we know about Tony Lee the party's director of campaigns and husband Miss Saunders but 1:01 we don't yet know whether any Frontline politicians have placed those bets that Richi sunak hasn't ruled it out will definitely set hairs running I mean it's just sort of beggar's belief doesn't it you had the launch in the in the rain you had the dday Fiasco and now you've got this betting Scandal I mean it's a it's faral isn't it it is and the risk of the betting Scandal is it's a sort of party gate Redux in that it pushes all the same buttons that people feel about politics indeed of Politics as a whole not not just the conservative party but it's a particular risk for the party of party gate the feeling that politicians are on the take that they are enriching themselves from the information they gain in public service it's really damaging for Rishi Sun particularly given his reluctance anyway to distance himself from the mistakes of his predecessors that last night he did attack Li truss on the BBC debate stage but it had to be dragged out of him and this Scandal is not going away indeed it could get worse is going to make Richi soon's job of differentiating himself all the harder final word then on 2:00 Labor's campaign because it seems the feeling you get is a lot of Tories are sort of throwing in the towel is it making it easy for labor to sort of set out what they might do in government in just two weeks uh yes it is although you won't get much uh complacency or indeed forthcoming uh statements from labor on their fiscal plans or anything else but actually the lack of any pressure from the conservative campaign just means K starma is quite happy to get through every day without making a colossal mistake he didn't do that on the debate stage yesterday even if his decision to say Jeremy Corbin would have been a better prime minister than Boris Johnson did raise eyebrows in his office um I think the labor party are quite content to just try and sit this one out for as long as possible Patrick Maguire thank you very much for joining us and Patrick's colum in today's Times makes for very interesting reading as ever uh now which party is better for business as we head towards the general election yesterday Chancellor Jeremy Hunt and his labor counterpart Rachel Reeves were here in this very building pitching ing 3:00 for power at the 's CEO Summit Reeves insisted labor is the pro business party while hunt insisted the difference between him and his rival comes down to tax well let's speak now to the former Chief Executive Officer of marks and Spencer current chair of Asda conservative Pier Lord Stuart Rose good afternoon Stuart Kathy good afternoon well I I wondered what your take was first on the question of business because you know Rishi sunak and his Chancellor have undoubtedly steadied the ship inflation is down but the economy is still stagnating so does Rachel Reeves's vision of a sort of growth agenda does it convince you well I think anybody's vision of a growth agenda is what we need Kathy but if I could just step back a little bit for me this is the most important election since 1979 since Maggie Thatcher came into power when the C country was facing some of the very same problems as we're facing today so I can only reiterate first of all this how important it is for people to go out and vote Do not sit on your on 4:00 your backsides don't sit there with your arms crossed and saying it's somebody else's problem go and vote interrogate both serious parties I those parties who are going to be in power either the labor party or the conservative party and say who do you believe is going to actually deliver and when you've made that decision then vote accordingly does that imply that you're skeptical that labor will deliver on its growth plan no I I'm not skeptical but I am inquisitive to know because we're still 13 or 14 13 days away from election day and obviously you can see why but they have been pretty Spar in the sort of information they've given out about what we can expect now you ask what business wants business first and foremost wants a clear Runway it wants stability it wants to know where it's going to be over the next one two three four five years because we need investment and investment will drive growth so if we can get that Clarity of purpose from the parties on knowing where we're going but on particularly things like Taxation and I don't just mean personal taxation I mean corporate taxation and I mean in 5:00 sort of reliefs and benefits we're going to get from making the right investment decisions are you impressed by what you've heard from Rachel Reeves about her sort of idea of a partnership between the private sector inviting that investment that you talk about um in partnership with the with the public sector and the government well as a businessman who's been in business a long time I'm rather I'm embarrassed to say I've been around for 53 years in business and I'm still at it business has actually been held in pretty low esteem since the the the financial crisis if you remember Bankers got demonized after Bankers got demonized business got demonized and we really haven't seen any really moving together between politicians and business since then I mean and unfortunately you know some of the early comments made by the conservative party were not helpful uh I pleased to see Johnson Boris Johnson talked about F business didn't he he did I'm too polite to use that well but I'm glad he used it before me but I mean do you think do you think they they haven't recovered from that that that was a sort of point of no return in some ways for business well it was a low point uh and 6:00 listen we have to let's just put things in perspective and we have to look back before we look forward I mean I will say this and I know I'm quite shocked still that the one word that hasn't been mentioned much during this election is the brexit word you know I think that was the greatest act of national harm that this country's probably done for a century okay nobody wants to talk about it labor doesn't want to talk about it because it doesn't want to upset potential voters conservatives don't want to talk about it because they did it but at the end of the day that's caused us real trouble then unfortunately and this is an unfortunate consequence you know God laughs when man madees plans or when business when politicians make plans we had covid and then we've had this terrible crisis with the economy so you have to say it has been very difficult but I think we could have lent in all of us together to make things better than they are today so both parties are in a difficult place because how do you get growth you have to get growth by investment how do you invest you have to spend money and you can't spend money because they're constrained by the balance sheet in the UK we've seen various Tory donors and supporters sort of peeling off and 7:01 backing labor um given you were talking about brexit there labor talks about wanting a closer relationship with our biggest trading partner on our doorsteps Europe um is that enough to convince you perhaps to cross the floor or not you well I I secretly believe they want it but of course they're too scared to say it and for God's sake let's just wake up the fact that our economy has not moved forward in the way we believed it might for some extraneous reasons I understand but we should be getting closer to our closest trade partner and I think it's a mistake not to just fess up and say we can actually come to a point where we're a bit closer in a different way stand back for a minute and I was putting this to Patrick just a second ago you had rishy sunak standing on the steps of Downing Street in the pouring rain launching this campaign he then came home early from D-Day and there was a huge row about that now there's this betting Scandal if the conservative party that you support was a business what would you be saying as chief exactor of the board and shareholders about the kind of performance you've 8:01 seen in the last few weeks well if three quarters of the people who have been politicians in the last 10 years have done what they' done as public limited company directors they'd be out in their air they might even be prosecuted we would not be in our jobs would rishy sunak be sacked for having run the campaign he's run no poor old rishy suak I've never met him I think actually he's a very decent man I think he's got the most awful the most awful act to to to to fill he has inherited a terrible terrible terrible bag load of stuff and I think he's a decent man trying to do a decent job well it whether it's enough and whether people will cut him enough slack I don't know but I do actually feel for him some of his predecessors I cannot say the same about but I mean has he got what it takes to be a politician he might be a decent man but is he you know does he feel politics in the way he needs to well you have to ask the question the other way are you inspired by what's the alternative what are you well I'm I I must say I was a little bit surprised last night to here you know 9:01 the defense of Corbin by by K starma or not the defense so much but he didn't actually disown it and then to start saying well Boris Johnson was worse than Corin might have been why not just say look I did a mistake I made a mistake I supported the wrong man I made a mistake let's move on I I do have this problem with politicians who can't actually say I was wrong I misjudged it now at least you have to say about sunak he did say he was wrong about Normandy that was an unfortunate fortunate thing he shouldn't have done it but he said sorry he did say yes you're right about the cues in the National Health Service they have gone up before they've gone down again he did say that he hasn't got some other things right so let's have a little bit of honesty around now I'm just saying to the public when I say please vote think look and ask yourself you have now got to go through the next five years and actually that's going to be very important five years you can't vote as a peer but if you were it sounds like you would still be reluctantly backing the Tories whatever listen I'm a conservative I believe in conservative value I'm a Centrist I actually don't 10:01 believe I don't like some of the right-wing Tendencies the part is now showing I don't like what the opportunity might present for some people to vote reform I do believe though in free markets I do believe in in low taxation I do believe that people should be rewarded for hard work I do believe people should have the right to be able to live their lives I am a bit upset is probably a good word to use about the fact that I for some reason because I'm a certain age and I'm still working that I'm not regarded as a working person because the implication is because I'm an working person and I've got a little bit of leather on my shoes I'm going to get taxed higher but why not say so all right um well you talked there about the sort of you you know the word you used I think was Centrist but um how important is it do you think that the next conservative leader because people are already jostling for the leadership how important is it that that person is a one nation compassionate conservative words you've used very recently I think it's vitally important but I'm not hopeful that will emerge in short order 11:00 if the conservatives don't win this election and they then go to another leadership listen we've had five leaders that would have been in five years KY bade does she impress you or two rightwing well she said in the paper this morning on some article I read that there's nothing much left about her if she meant left or left I'm not sure but if it's either way either way you're not convinced well I know I'm I'm afraid I don't sit on the right of the party I'm not party member but I do not sit there I am very much a compassionate conservative I hope that's a phrase that's not too oldfashioned I think that's what conservative has stood for for a long time I think that's what the British public believed in so if Nigel farage ended up as leader of the party you couldn't still sit on the Tory benches then I would leave the country really right okay but if it's someone from the right short of Nigel farage you'll try and rebuild and make it work well listen I'm not a fully paid up supporter of the conservative party you know know if you look I I have had 12:01 difficulties in supporting some of the policies that the party's put forward in the last year or two it has been a difficult one for me to swallow but at the end of the day yet I haven't passed the point of no return well just finally on that point then um s Jim ratliffe who's the chemicals Tycoon who was at the time CEO Summit just yesterday he said it was time for a change saying that sir Kama wasn't a quote a straightforward decent man do you agree with that sentiment I I honestly can't answer the question because I don't know I've never met K starma but I'm slightly skeptical about what uh what Jim ractive might say because he was a fully paid up bre te okay well Lord Stuart Rose thank you very much for coming on the program um always great to hear from you

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