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THE US SUPREME COURT MAYBE NOT ... BUT STILL DANGEROUS! Times Radio: Trump’s Supreme Court win could help him get away with a military coup PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kELNeHZZ9n8 Peter Burgess COMMENTARY The Enormous UltraFan! A Rolls-Royce story. Mentour Now! Peter Burgess
Trump’s Supreme Court win could help him get away with a military coup Times Radio 868K subscribers Jul 2, 2024 'It's not a complete carte blanche to carry out a military coup.' However, a presumption of immunity would make it harder for Trump to be prosecuted, says David Charter, assistant US editor for The Times. 📻 Listen to Times Radio - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio 📍 Subscribe to our channel - http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTjDh... 🗞 Subscribe to The Times https://www.thetimes.co.uk/subscribe/... 📲 Get the free Times Radio app https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio/how-... Transcript 0:00 so it's not a complete um uh cart blanch to carry out a military coup because clearly that's not part of his constitutional Duty that's not part of the what's allowed in the constitution for the president so that wouldn't attract absolute immunity but circumstances like that there could be an argument that uh the president is now has the presumption of immunity and it has to be shown otherwise by the prosecution so you can see that simply by having this set down in black and white for the first time in history uh it's created this big debate and shown up what I think has long been known that there is a presumption that not everyone in America uh is the same Joe Biden there let us talk to David Chara the assistant us editor for the Times hello to you David uh greetings from Washington DC John hi David so look so that Supreme Court ruling it certainly caused waves doesn't it to emanate outwards 1:00 oh no doubt uh because it is the first time in American history uh that it's ever been set down in black and white just what the presidential Shield is if you like from U malicious prosecution or Justified prosecution for that matter the Supreme Court uh many decades ago had decided that the president was immune from civil actions uh to prevent people trying to stop uh and to intimidate the president from taking action but itd never before had a character like Donald Trump come along and the first president to be prosecuted of course in in criminal cases four of them in fact uh never before has it been faced with this appeal uh up to the Supreme Court that uh surely the president of the United States enjoys some measure of protection uh from what the Trump supporters say they called lawfare which is the weaponization of the legal system against him so into the middle of this M this political malstrom 2:01 comes perhaps the most ideological Court uh for a century really which it's it's six to three conservatives to liberals the decision on immunity this wide- ranging scope of immunity they set out um in their ruling was six to3 the six conservatives against the S the three liberals and one of the Liberals in fact the most liberal member Soto myor uh said well look this just allows the president the freedom to order the um the Special Forces to assassinate his Rivals he'll be immune uh what if he organizes a military coup he'll be immune in my view that goes too far that's overdone because what the Supreme Court tried to set out was uh different levels of immunity one absolute immunity for the president in his constitutional actions and then the presumption of immunity for all other official acts and then no immunity at all for when he's acting privately in his own Private 3:00 Affairs so it's not a complete um uh cart blanch to carry out a military coup because clearly that's not part of his constitutional Duty that's not part of the what's allowed in the constitution for the president so that wouldn't attract absolute immunity but circumstances like that there could be an argument that uh the president is now has the presumption of immunity and it has to be shown otherwise by the prosecution so you can see that simp by having this set down in black and white for the first time in history uh it's created this big debate and shown up what I think has long been known that there is a presumption that not everyone in America uh is the same uh in front of the law that the president does enjoy a special status and while those lower courts the Supreme Court pushes the Judgment of what what is permitted and what isn't largely back to those lower courts while that is sorted out it means that other cases are going to be shoved off Beyond the November election which 4:01 is of course exactly where Donald Trump wanted them yeah I think the real complaint of the Democrats is that um the Supreme Court decision was actually um rather Broad and and left it up to the lower courts as you say to go through Case by case and um incident by incident on all of his Communications like his Twitter uh postings uh which one of those was um done as an official act and which one was a personal act did it change during the day uh all of that's going to be litigated and take and it will take weeks and weeks and weeks uh to go through all of this and so the real upshot of it is that um the case will just can't be heard and uh before the election and of course if Trump wins the election this is a federal case so he will take over the the executive of the federal government and he can fire the special Council he can get rid of Jack Smith who's brought the case and that'll be an end to it yeah I mean meanwhile we've already now seen Trump seizing on 5:00 this ruling davut to challenge his criminal convictions in the pornstar hush money trial yeah this is the one that's been completed and is likely to be the only one completed before the election uh you'll recall that he was convicted on all accounts um uh of paying uh of paying off uh Stormy Daniels to keep quiet uh about their alleged brief affair so even today uh we've just heard that the prosecution in that case in Manhattan has actually said we agree there should be a delay in sentencing we don't accept that Trump's got been given a new argument uh to uh destroy the case and to have it thrown out but we do agree that at least it should be litigated it should be heard uh so the sentencing that was set for July the 11th just before the Republican convention by the way um looks like it won't take place now it'll be delayed to see if this Supreme Court cour case has 6:00 a bearing uh on his conviction and on the way he should be sentenced so it means that we'll be going into the Republican convention where Trump will be nominated as as the presidential candidate without knowing if he actually faces jail time for his hush money convictions okay you mentioned earlier on David the we haven't seen I know an ideologically um in mesed uh Supreme Court of America like this for for maybe for a century or more just tell me how that is playing out because the Supreme Court such an important pillar of the American Constitution is now right at the center of the political battle and that that is again another extraordinary facet of of political life in the USA absolutely and it it it it's it's I I hesitate to say it's become a central election issue because really it's been an ENT a central election issue at at uh successive elections I think one reason why people held their nose and voted for Trump in 2016 was because the Republicans had the chance to make a 7:00 supreme court appointment uh and shift the court more onto the conservative side and indeed Trump uh was able to appoint three members of the nine member Court that's a lot in one term uh but going into the next election this pendulum has swung towards the Democrats in terms of the politics because they can now say look uh we told you that if you elected Trump you'd get the most political ideological Court in a gen in Generations the court has ended the federal guarantee uh of abortion treatment um that only by electing democratic presidents can uh can you get more liberal um members of the judges on the on the court who can correct and restore uh the universal right of access to abortion for example and also correct what they see as this um authoritarian 8:01 style ruling giving the president way too much protection to do as he pleases um Biden's big speech last night his first public appearance at the White House since his really disastrous debate performance was setting out a new campaign uh pledge that you know you've got to you've got to reelect me uh because What Will trump do with with all this protection he's now been given that's been set down by the Supreme Court do you really want Trump to be unfettered by we've seen how he escapes impeachment which is the only other way of bringing him to account now there's no chance of him being brought to account by this court is the argument of the Democrats

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