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THE TRUMP SAGA PROJECT 2025 ABC News In-depth \| Four Corners: Investigating Trump, Project 2025 and the future of the United States PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3jqALQgBzw Peter Burgess COMMENTARY Peter Burgess
Investigating Trump, Project 2025 and the future of the United States \| Four Corners ABC News In-depth ABC is an Australian public broadcast service. Wikipedia Jul 15, 2024 1.63M subscribers ... 1,578,248 views ... 40K likes UNITED STATES There has never been a US president like Donald Trump — and now he’s back, this time with a detailed plan for his second coming. Nearly four years after he was cast out by voters and accused of encouraging the American people to assault their own democracy with the attack on the US Capitol, the now convicted criminal wants to rebuild the country in his own image. Ahead of the US election in November, Four Corners reporter Mark Willacy travels to Washington for the first of a special two-part series. He sits down with White House insiders who witnessed the chaos of Trump’s first term — some who continue to support his vision, and others Trump now considers “traitors”. Trump wants to reshape the pillars of American democracy and give himself more power. Willacy goes inside “Project 2025”, the blueprint for a second Trump term and the army of recruits ready to carry out his orders. Meanwhile strategy, security and defence experts warn of the impact another Trump presidency could have on America’s institutions, its democracy, and the rest of the world. CHAPTERS 00:00 - Trump, Justice and Retribution 02:08 - Assassination attempt 03:50 - Trump’s second coming 04:42 - Battle for democracy 06:07 - Anonymous 09:31 - “He’s an idiot’’ 11:48 - Traitors 14:51 -Trump and Russia 17:25 - NATO 22:18 - Dictator on day one 23:40 - What is Project 2025? 26:35 - Nonsensical Americans 35:10 - The Department of Justice 40:50 - National Security 43:54 - January 6 Capitol riots 52:25 -Threat of civil disorder INTERVIEWEES 08:26: Miles Taylor, Former Chief of Staff, Department of Homeland Security 10:48: Sebastian Gorka, Former National Security Advisor to Donald Trump 12:07: John Bolton, Former National Security Advisor to Donald Trump 13:33: Leon Panetta, Former CIA director 14:51: Peter Strzok, Former Deputy Assist, Director, Former Counter-Intelligence 19:41: Chad Wolf, Former acting secretary, department of homeland security 20:41: Gordon Sondland, former US Ambassador to the European Union 23:14: Paul Dans, Project 2025 director 25:54: Anthony Scaramucci, Former Communications Director to Donald Trump 28:52: Erica Newland, Former attorney, Department of Justice 30:19: Charlie Dent, Former Republican Congressman 38:55: Zoe Lofgren, Democratic Congresswoman 43:54: Temidayo Aganga-Williams, Senior Investigative Counsel, January 6 Committee This episode was originally broadcast as Four Corners: ‘Retribution Part 1’, on 15 July 2024 on ABC TV and ABC iview. Read more about Four Corners’ investigation here: https://bit.ly/3Wkme3b Four Corners is Australia’s premier investigations documentary series. Follow Four Corners on Facebook: / abc4corners Subscribe to the Four Corners weekly newsletter: https://www.abc.net.au/news/subscribe Find out more at the Four Corners website: https://www.abc.net.au/news/programs/... Transcript Trump, Justice and Retribution 0:01 [Music] I am your Warrior I am your Justice and for those who have been wronged and betrayed I am am your retribution I am your retribution that's almost what I call gangster type Politics the politics of Retribution politics of Revenge their reign is over their reign will be over Mr Trump has practiced the big lie for five decades and it works for him I actually think we won most of the country he represents a dark force in humanity I don't know anyone who loves their country more and is more patriotic than the president he talks directly 1:01 with the American people which is fantastic now if I don't get elected it's going to be a bloodbath for the Country Real Estate shark reality TV star former United States president now convicted criminal and I obliterate my competition there has never been an American iconoclast like Donald Trump way they're Republicans I said I don't give a [ __ ] the American people are going to see a Great era of of well-being and peace and Pros Prosperity millions and millions of people he's the once in the generational chance to have the American people have a voice back in their own government he's a [ __ ] idiot he's just a [ __ ] idiot nearly 4 years on from the Carnage at the capital the man accused of encouraging his fellow citizens to assault their own democracy is back look at what's happened with the j6 host ages 2:00 the hostages we will give them pardons I do worry there's a real group of American citizens who are willing to engage in violence for Donald Trump take a look at what Assassination attempt happened already there's been violence but it's been aimed at Donald Trump a wouldbe assassin coming close to killing the former president for months before this moment Four Corners was investigating what a second Trump presidency would mean for America and the world it's even more relevant now after this with the defiant Donald Trump looking Unstoppable in his March to the White House in Donald Trump's vision for America centuries old institutions are there to be dismantled and the checks and balances established by the founding fathers are impediments to absolute power he says you're not going to be a dictator are you I said no no no other than day one so when he says he's a 3:04 dictator for a day he really means look I want to be dictator for life we're in the midst of a neo-marxist revolution here in the United States and we have to wake up to what's going on we pledge to you that we will root out the Communists marxists fascists and the radical left thugs that live like Vermin within the confines of our country he hates political correctness and he loves America will do anything possible America's broke I'm going to fix it and I love it we will never give up we will never concede it doesn't happen after the chaos and confusion of his first term in office Donald Trump has a detailed plan for his second coming it involves reshaping the very pillars of American democracy and there's already an army of loyal recruits who are prepared to carry out his orders Trump’s second coming 4:00 we have a database with over 10,000 people from all walks of life but we want people who've been cancelled who've figuratively given blood for the movement they want to bring shock troops into the government who focus on dismantling government if you're not on board with the president's agenda and you're in a consequential position you need to step aside or you need to hold your tongue [Music] one country one Constitution one destiny those very words are inscribed inside the capital in the heart of Washington DC but the United States is Riven with Battle for democracy many Americans fearing its Destiny lies in the hands of a man who has little regard for this country's Constitution who supporters trashed this place in the dying days of his presidency almost 4 years after being 5:00 cast out by voters Donald Trump is back and he has a plan to rebuild America in his own image to some he's a savior and to others an autocrat over the next two weeks four corners brings you a special series on the battle for American [Music] democracy as of today I would say it's more likely than not that Trump is is elected this is one of those critical moments in history where actually the fate of the Free World if you will rest on one one man's shoulders if he's returned to the presidency he's going to be dangerous it can literally destroy our democracy I'm not sure the country Will Survive it honestly I truly believe that we could be on the path to authoritarianism 6:00 [Music] Anonymous it's September 2018 the second year of Donald Trump's tumultuous Reign and a senior official inside his administration is about to lift the lid on a White House riddled with dysfunction and disorder president Trump is facing a test to his presidency unlike any faced by a modern American leader The Dilemma which he doesn't fully grasp is that many of the senior officials in his own Administration are working diligently from within to frustrate parts of his agenda and his worst inclinations I would know I am one of them 7:00 what begins as a private Journal soon becomes public when its author decides the American people need to know what's really happening inside the Trump Administration the highly placed official leaks his essay to the New York Times the root of the problem is the president's immorality he engages in repetitive Rants and his impulsiveness results in half-baked ill-informed and occasionally Reckless decisions that that have to be walked back under the by line Anonymous the peace causes a media sensation we have somebody in what I call the failing New York Times that's the publication also prompts the president to order an investigation to find the identity of the author when you tell me about some anonymous source within the administration probably who's failing and probably here for all the wrong reasons an anonymous editorial can you believe it anonymous meaning gutless a gutless editorial when the article came out the anonymous article and I 8:05 read through the article I said well this guy is close enough he really understands he's inside the blast zone of Donald Trump despite a concerted hunt for the author Anonymous would remain just that for more than 2 years only after he'd resigned from the administration would he reveal his true identity my name is Miles Taylor I'm Anonymous I was the chief of staff at the Department of Homeland Security under Donald Trump Miles Taylor helped manage a Workforce of a quarter of a million people but his most difficult task was dealing with the whims of his commander-in-chief When Donald Trump was President I remember Crossing that threshold into the Oval Office and Not only was this guy not bringing his aame he didn't have a game he was winging it and the the place was like I've often described it as like a crowded New York Bagel Shop it was people coming in and 9:05 out and him barking orders and you might be talking about a classified issue and someone who doesn't have a security clearance comes walking through the Oval Office and he's getting phone calls and he's telling people to tweet things out we spend billions of dollars in other countries maintaining their borders and we can't maintain our borders in our own country is there something a little bit wrong with that for Miles Taylor and his homeland security secretary Kirsten neelen “He’s an idiot’’ 9:35 president Trump had a singular Obsession the southern border during one phone call with secretary neelsen Trump came up with a novel solution to stop the flow of migrants coming into the United States and she puts the president on speaker phone and he says that down at the border he wants to explore what it would take to build a moat and he goes off on this tangent talking about how we should actually get snakes and 10:04 alligators and fill this 2,000 mile moat on the border with reptilian creatures so that if someone falls into the moat they're facing the threat of snakes and alligators who might come after them I mean we're just laughing you can't make this [ __ ] up MH what do you thinking when the president of the United States is annunciating this idea yeah he's a [ __ ] idiot he's just a [ __ ] idiot I'm a lifelong conservative I am more Republican than Donald Trump he is not a conservative but putting politics aside engaging with the man you realize he's an idiot Miles Taylor is like one of the the nasty girls from Glee okay he's he He makes himself out to be a big deal he [Music] wasn't greetings Sebastian Gawker I served as Deputy assistant for strategy to president Trump I'm the host of the 11:04 American first Radio Show in the United [Music] States to Donald Trump's most rusted on supporters like Sebastian Gawker Miles Taylor isn't a whistleblower he's a traitor this is where we do the show that is the definition of sedition the people choose the commander-in-chief what he says is the order of that Administration and then you say I'm going to sabotage it that's a crime that's that's patently obvious so Miles Tyler in your opinion should be charged with sedition simp utterly utterly yeah Donald Trump's list of traitors is Traitors long and includes people who served him at the highest level including a former Chief of the US Military and reporter ly the man who was once his most senior 12:01 security [Music] official I'm John Bolton I was Donald Trump's National Security adviser for 17 months and he tried to put me in jail for the book uh that that I published tried to stop the book from coming out I think he doesn't forget his grudges and I think uh the only consolation I have is that I'm part of a very long list in his many security briefings with Trump John Bolton found a president who was transactional and unfocused he spoke on subjects that whatever kind of came into his mind he didn't pay attention to intelligence briefings uh frequently he was the one doing most of the talking during the intelligence briefings it called to mind something that lynon Johnson once said I don't learn very much when I talking that didn't bother Trump at all he had huge 13:03 gaps in his knowledge of international Affairs he once asked the white house chief of staff John Kelly if Finland were still part of Russia it went downhill from there he's somebody who has no respect for intelligence or for those that collect intelligence because he's somebody who doesn't like to be told the truth [Music] yes I'm Leon Panetta former Chief of Staff uh to President Clinton uh former director of the CIA uh and former Secretary of Defense to President Obama there are few Americans who know more about the value of the US intelligence Services than Leon paneta the CIA Chief who got Usama Bin Laden he warns that a reelected 14:02 Donald Trump would present a grave threat to the security of the United States it won't just be the president who pays a price for stupidity it'll be a threat to all Americans we're facing threats from Russia threats from China threats from North Korea threats from Iran threats from terrorists it's a dangerous world that we live in and if a president thinks you can hide from that and not have to confront that he'll make our country vulnerable I do not believe that he is capable of putting America's interests and American National Security ahead of his own personal [Music] Trump and Russia interest I'm Pete struck I was the deputy assistant director of the FBI's Counter Intelligence Division during the first Trump Administration and I led the investigation into Russia's attack on the 2016 15:04 [Music] election Trump is a counterintelligence nightmare he had very well-known alleged proclivities for pretty women he had any number of susceptibility to flattery a strange sort of affection for strong men and authoritarians that were in fact intelligence vulnerabilities struck was removed from the investigation into Donald Trump and alleged Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election after it was discovered that he had disparaged the then president in private texts in response Trump accused the FBI veteran of treason Donald Trump has called you a traitor how did that feel uh it stunning I mean I I had never I think I was according to the Washington Post I was the first person you know dubious honor that he accused of treason of course treason in the United States is one of only I think two or three actually enumerated crimes in the Constitution 16:05 and it carries the penalty of death those who fear what lies ahead under a reelected Donald Trump point to two public statements he made 5 years apart to question the former president's allegiances every one of the the first at a summit in Helsinki in 2018 stunned the entire us intelligence Community when Trump sided with Vlad adir Putin on the question of Russian interference in the US election President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today uh he just said it's not Russia I will say this I don't see any reason why it would be but I really well I remember very vividly sitting there in the front row of the audience watching this thinking myself my God what are we going to do now my jaw hit the floor I mean that is an abhorent statement to make [Music] that in my mind was a total 17:04 surrender to our greatest adversary which is Russia and so I'm looking at somebody who will be willing to let a tyrant do whatever he wants in the world and that's not what America's all NATO about Trump later claimed he misspoke in the press conference with Putin but then came his second statement that shocked us lawmakers and the intelligence Community when he said this year that if reelected he would encourage Russia to attack NATO allies who fail to pay their way well sir uh if we don't pay and we're attacked by Russia will you protect us I said you didn't pay you're delinquent he said yes let's say that happened no I would not protect you in fact I would encour encourage them to do whatever the hell they want you got to 18:01 pay you got to pay your bills that is not just the stupidest statement I've heard somebody make it also frankly borders on being a traitor to our country I mean to to basically say that an enemy an adversary like Russia ought to be able to attack other NATO countries and that we're not going to do anything about it uh I think betrays our country you don't pay your bills you get no protection that is tanam out to inviting aggression by Russia and uh you can bet that they took due note of it not only in the Kremlin but in Beijing as well the NATO alliance is the most powerful military Alliance in history forged in the wake of World War II one of its Central tenants is that signatories agree that an armed attack against one or more of them shall be considered an attack against the 19:01 mo if he carries through as I fear he will on his many times repeated threats to withdraw from NATO I think it would be a catastrophic decision the damage could could be irreversible Russia knows that the outcome of the November election in the US will have massive repercussions for its own foreign Ambitions most of all its invasion of Ukraine Donald Trump's former acting Homeland Security secretary Echoes his old boss in questioning why America has to keep paying to help Ukraine defend itself overall we'd like to see that conflict come to a conclusion one way or another what we've seen over the last several years of the Biden Administration which is more taxpayer dollars going to that conflict without any end goal what is the goal at the end of the day instead they continue to ask American Tax tax payers to send our treasure which is our funding and our taxpayer funding overseas while we have 20:04 severe challenges here at home and I think that that's when we get back to that America First approach if Trump were to essentially conspire with Putin to allow Ukraine to fall he would be planning the seed for uh Putin moving into other democracies uh to try to get rid of them as well so it's a frightening Prospect much has been made of Donald Trump's apparent admiration for autocrats like Vladimir Putin turkey's Reb T berdan and North Korea's Kim [Music] Jong-un I'm Gordon sandland I served as the United States ambassador to the European Union from 2018 until 20 20 in the Trump Administration Gordon Sunland believes 21:06 that a reelected Donald Trump would be no pushover when it comes to standing up to dictators and despots I found two Donald Trump's I found the show that was made for public consumption and then I found the reality of sitting in small meetings sitting in the car with him I remember being with president Trump shortly after he met with Kim Jong-un and the media was excoriating him over being too friendly over not understanding what really North Korea is all about as if you know he was seduced by this short Korean man who is a murderer and a thug and we were in the car and I said Mr President cutting through the [ __ ] tell me about Kim Jong-un and and he looked at me with a smile and he said if that [ __ ] had a knife he could have gored me in 22:04 the stomach that told me everything I needed to know about his soberness when it came to these people Trump's critics warned that he not only admires dictators but that he wants to be one I want to close the border and I want to drill Dr and they Dictator on day one point to his own words when he was asked this year about what he would do if he regained the presidency he says you're not going to be a dictator are you I said no no no other than day one we're closing the border and we're drilling drilling drilling after that I'm not a dictator okay so when he says he's a dictator for a day he really means look I want to be dictator for life I want to create a dynasty here for myself and my family and I'm a human wrecking ball president Trump you know he's uh taking this whole phony narrative about dictator which I explained to you is going to be the furthest thing from the truth you we're trying to to resurrect the last smidgens of democracy here but you know he said 23:04 you know tongue and cheek I'll be dictator on two issues one is energy but two the Border can to shut the border down we just want to say m we never get to say m very partial to Australians hi I'm Paul Dan I'm director of the 2025 presidential transition project otherwise known as project 2025 I previously served under Donald Trump as his uh chief of staff at the office of personel Management in his first term this is Paul Dan's first Australian television interview he heads a coalition of What is Project 2025? conservative groups that's planning to help Donald Trump reshaped democracy and to give him more power than any other peacetime president in American history it's known simply as project 2025 just to be clear is it if officially aligned or sanctioned by his campaign it's not officially know we are 24:03 over 107 major organizations as a uh a coalition coming together so many of us did come from prior service in the Trump Administration there's even a 920 page publicly available Playbook outlining plans to transform the presidency including to give Donald Trump unprecedented reach to take on his political enemies this book this agenda the entire project 2025 is a plan to unite the conservative movement and the American people against Elite Rule and woke culture Warriors Project 2025 accuses this ruling class of faceless civil servants and unelected mandarins of thating Donald Trump's first-term agenda to the former president it's a cancer in the heart of American government that he calls the Deep state either the Deep State destroys America 25:02 or we destroy the Deep State that's the way it's got to be now when we came in I didn't use the phrase deep State I thought it was a little bit tinf Hatty and I'm not going to use that then I saw it it is stunning how the unelected bureaucracy thought they had a right to blockade a man chosen by 63 million Americans to be be the president it was stunning it's truly stunning they want to disband or let go tens of thousands of government employees they've got their Legions of followers uh believing this great paranoia that we live in a deep State society which is of course a bunch of complete nonsense I'm Anthony scaramucci I was an acquaintance of Donald Trump for 20 years when he was elected as 26:01 president-elect he named me to a 16 person executive transition team and for 11 days in the White House in the month of July of 2017 I was his communications director from being a supporter and a mouthpiece for Donald Trump Anthony scaramucci is now one of his fiercest and most outspoken critics he believes project 2025 with its plan to stack the public service with an army of trump loyalists will Propel America into a dystopian Nonsensical Americans Future these are nonsensical on Americans okay they're against the values that the society has lived by they're going to stress the system in a way that it hasn't been stressed since the American Civil War and uh it's going to be hard on the country because uh you know we're polarized on inauguration day the four years ahead seems like an eternity it's not because the left has 27:03 engineered our government and institutions to reject conservative ideology the 202 project 2025 is a new paradigm in helping a conservative president be ready to govern day one this is really an attempt by us as a movement to come together and and get ready it's a preparation and preparation has been underway for more than 2 years our goal is to assemble an army of aligned vetted trained and prepared conservatives to go to work on day one to deconstruct the administrative state project 2025 isn't some Rabel operation it's run by the influential and conservative Heritage Foundation we fight for America and it's already started vetting and training thousands of possible Trump appointees from across the United States we will 28:02 succeed we don't want the most successful person we want the person who keeps getting knocked down and is indefatigable I mean I actually think of Aussies a lot like that that they're always popping up to the top and they have this kind of [ __ ] eting grin on their face and it's like that is like the kind of happy warrior that we want and have you got people signing up you've got recruits on on the yes very much so we have a database with over 10,000 um people from all walks of life you know entering into this aspiring to serve what Donald Trump wants is our political stoes who will be loyal not to the Office of the President but to the person of the president and whatever his dreams or whims [Music] are my name is Erica nuland I was an attorney at the Department of Justice under Donald Trump and now I work for 29:00 protect democracy where I try to protect our country from the authoritarian threat Erica nand has investigated project 2025 and she says it will deliver Trump a band of loyalists eager to carry out his agenda what sort of questions do they ask potential appointees here let me read you a few of those questions they asked them to we un on whether the President should be able to advance his or her agenda through the bureaucracy without hindrance from unelected federal officials and that's a dog whistle of course and then they ask whether uh you agree that the federal government should recognize only two unchanging Sexes male and female as a matter of policy so what do those sort of questions say to you about the sort of people the project 2025 wants to recruit they want people who are unswervingly loyal to the Trump agenda to his vision and to him as a person as well as to his and the movement's goal of subordinating um 30:04 those who who don't look or sound like them and what will be left will be the grifters and the scants whatever his worst impulse is of the day they will facilitate it and uh and will enable it hi I'm former Congressman Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania's 15th congressional district I served nearly 14 years in the Congress seven terms and I did have a few runers with our former president Donald Trump Charlie Dent was one of the few republicans in Congress who stood up to Trump as president I'm afraid if Trump were to win in 2024 those types of people those adults those people who would try to you know put some checks and restrain the worst impulses on on the president won't be there this Central principle behind many of project 2025 policies is that a 31:02 democratically elected president is the American people's proxy meaning it's the job of the thousands of unelected civil servants to carry out Trump's orders without question the great challenge confronting a conservative president is the boldness to bend or break the bureaucracy to the presidential will you do have the First Amendment but you can't encourage people to do Acts they In Contention of the Constitution you can't come into Administration and then sabotage the things the man elected by the people has said we will do what we saw during the Trump Administration is you saw career officials disagreeing with the president disagreeing in the sense and even going so far as to say I'm going to disrupt or sabotage your agenda I'm just looking at you yeah okay I'm Chad wolf I'm the former acting Secretary of the Department of Homeland 32:05 Security under President Trump I'm the current executive director of the America First policy Institute former cabinet secretary Chad wolf remains a trump loyalist and is ready to serve once again if his old boss wins in November the America First policy Institute he now leads is full of prot trump populists who all share project 2025 vision of a civil service stacked with True Believers to achieve this they're proposing a reelected Donald Trump brings in what's called schedule F an executive order that would allow the president to fire people at will and the idea with schedule F is very very simple which is if you're in a policy-making role and you're working against the president we have the ability to remove you uh because that's how it should be right after a campaign was launched by the Democrats warning of the dangers of project 2025 to democracy Donald Trump 33:03 tried to distance himself from the group insisting he knows nothing about it despite reports his campaign has been briefed by its officials have you spoken with President Trump do you have a relationship with him well sure in my personal capacity I'm a you know Trump supporter and have been down in Margo many times but you know we have integration with folks on the campaign the reality is yes we we often you know Supply ideas and and ultimately we hope to offer personal suggestions this is really going to be the engine room for the next Administration many of these folks served and will be called upon to serve again and I know president Trump's team will be receptive of it and Donald Trump will need an army of True Believers if he's to implement his agenda we will reverse the Biden ban on natural gas export we're going to drill baby drill that's what we're going to do going to drill 34:01 baby we'll drill baby thank you very much I will pass Landmark legislation if India China or any other country hits us with a 100 or 200% tariff on americanmade Goods we will hit them with the same exact tariff on day one I will sign a new executive order to cut Federal funding for any school pushing critical race Theory transgender insanity and other inappropriate racial sexual or political content onto our children but Trump isn't just vowing to shake up policy he's also promising to settle schores I am your Warrior I am your Justice and for those who have been wronged and betrayed I am your retribution I am your [Music] retribution in Donald Trump's mind there is no bigger Target for Retribution than the very agency that administers and 35:02 enforces the law in the United States and he's vowing to dismantle this key pillar of democracy the US Department of The Department of Justice Justice it's hard to find the most problematic agencies but I think you'd have to put doj at the top the reality is that agency is is one of the the key um extensions of the deep state so what I and I realize the Deep state is real I realized of all of these agencies and departments the doj is the worst the theodre is a vipers nest of politically motivated individuals who see it as their fiom to serve the Democrat Party and their buddies we will completely overhaul the corrupt Department of Injustice to clear out all the Communists who have weaponized government activities [Applause] 36:02 Erica nulan says she's seen the weaponization of the justice department already as a lawyer in Trump's first term her team worked to make sure his presidential executive orders were legal the office handled orders like the so-called Muslim ban and the building of a wall along the border with Mexico that was extremely hard I was helping an Administration a president who did not have any concept of democracy who did not have any respect for the law Trump's supporters accused the doj of targeting the former president with bogus investigations and of stying both his first-term agenda and his bid for reelection Donald Trump has promised that if he becomes president again he would harness the department Justice to go after the people he perceives as political enemies or as somehow 37:05 disloyal I will appoint a real special prosecutor to go after the most corrupt president in the history of the United States of America Joe [Music] Biden and the entire Biden crime family and then there's the long list of those he is accused of treason we've talked about Trump pursuing his enemies one of those he wants retribution against is the sitting President Joe Biden he said he will appoint a special prosecutor to go after Joe Biden do you think he'll come after you as well I think there's a chance of that nobody can accurately say how far Donald Trump would be willing to go to go after his enemies and what he'd be willing to do to them Donald Trump is an authoritarian threat to this country there's a Playbook that authoritarians use they are grandis executive Authority they politicize independent institutions they quash dissent they spread misinformation they target vulnerable 38:01 communities they corrupt elections and they Stoke violence Donald Trump has engaged in all seven of these the former president has also heed he would ignore America's most sacred document the Constitution do you throw the presidential election results of 2020 out and declare the rightful winner or do you have a new election a massive fraud of this type of magnitude allows for the termination of all rules regulations and articles even those found in the Constitution he said I mean his words that he intends to terminate parts of the Constitution he didn't say which parts he said he's going to be a dictator on and then he said day one what does that even mean the Constitution does not provide for that I'm congresswoman Z LA from I represent the 18th Congressional District in California I served as a 39:03 manager for the first Trump impeachment and I served as a member of the January 6th committee that uh uncovered the fact that Trump was at the center of a wide ranging conspiracy uh to overturn uh the American government veteran democratic congresswoman zo lran says it would be Folly to brush off Donald Trump's apocalyptic rhetoric is hyperbole or Showmanship he said that he plans to send the military out into the country to round up people I guess who look like immigrants and put them in camps so it's a shocking proposal but one of the things I learned serving on the January 6 committee is uh to take uh Trump at his word because he does mean to do what he says uh the Democrats said please don't call them animals they're humans I said no they're not humans they not hum they're [Music] 40:02 animals one message that Donald Trump repeats over and over is the danger posed by undocumented migrants coming over the US Southern border I think the real numberers 15 16 million people into our country it has become a rallying Cry of his presidential campaign they're poisoning the blood of our country that's what they've done they poison mental institutions and prisons all over the world they're pouring into our country well you know poisoning the blood that's a hitleresque uh statement but the man who was in charge of the border under Donald Trump defends the former president's rhetoric and says he's merely tapping into a deep fear about the type of people crossing into the United States when you see the public safety threats and the National Security threats coming across that border you National Security see gang members from Venezuela these are all individuals that ice and border patrol pick up on on a daily basis these are bad individuals we are the only developed nation in the world that has no borders 41:03 I mean these numbers are quite for normal countries these numbers are hard to ingest but how is it poisoning the blood of the country I want to understand that well many ways fentol because of Biden's border policies poisoning literally the blood of our nation 110,000 Americans died of drug overdoses and fantiny I mean just think of that for a second the number of undocumented migrants coming over the southern border has surged under Joe Biden according to government figures of the nearly 8 million people stopped at the Border in the last few years around 100,000 or just over 1% were convicted criminals when I return to the White House we will stop the plunder rape Slaughter and destruction of the American suburb cities and towns we stop The Invasion on our Southern border and begin the largest domestic deportation operation in 42:04 American this is sort of stuff that I find repulsive when you're talking about deporting 15 million citizens I mean who the hell are you and even if they're not citizens even if they're illegal are you going to run around the country in some armored car like we're in the hand M's tail he said very clearly I want to engage in the biggest Mass do begin a and Ena it I think it's interesting let's just let's let's talk about deportations a little bit because I think those on the left hear that and say oh my God that sounds terrible I don't understand how that sounds terrible the idea of deporting individuals removing individuals or repatriating individuals that again don't have a legal right to be here or perhaps are here because the law has been abused to get them here they need to be removed from the [Music] 43:08 country Donald Trump's rhetoric in the leadup to this election has invoked bloodbaths and bedum he's spoken of Retribution and revenge and he's promised to dismantle and Destroy having been here for a while I get the very real sense that the shock and the violence of Trump's language has worn off for many Americans but to those who know the man there's a very real fear that a real elected Donald Trump could just deliver on what he says Donald Trump knows how to invoke emotions in people he knows how to trigger that dark side of the human Spirit January 6 Capitol riots 44:02 my name is Timmy da a Ganga William and I served as senior investigative Council on the house January 6 committee which investigated the facts and causes surrounding the attack on the US capital on January 6th Insanity they broke through it's OD you better Ru CS the 6th of January 2021 marked the lowest point of Donald Trump's chaotic presidency refusing to accept his defeat at the hands of Joe Biden Trump told his supporters to march on the US capital we fight we fight like hell and if you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore leading up to the attack he had knowingly lied about the election Donald Trump did not think he won the election he in fact knew he lost the election and he told people in his close Circle that he had lost the election so what he did instead rather than accept the the result is that he fed lies to his supporters day in and day out and he 45:02 basically whipped them up into a frenzy there's a guy there's a guy there's a guy holy [ __ ] at least five people died in the attack while more than 140 police officers were injured bullets everywhere democratic congresswoman zo lofin was in the capital building as the mob surged in I think we came very close uh to the vice president being killed and probably members of Congress being killed uh the uh riers have made it clear that's what they intended to do we came very close to an actual overturn of the government [Music] and clearly that's uh Trump celebrates 46:05 that Donald Trump denies inciting the January 6 Riot and describes the house committee investigation as a Witch Hunt but after the attack on the capital many of Trump's closest confidants deserted him believing he would never again be a political force now even those like Gordon suland who served Trump who was fired by Trump who even testified against Trump and who said he could never forgive him over January 6 are coming back into the fold many people are agonizing over this choice and do you forgive Donald Trump for what he did on January 6th and vote for him knowing that for four years the country was in fairly decent shape so you're voting for Trump absolutely the man you could never forgive exactly that's why it's such an agonizing decision and I hope he learned his lesson from January 47:06 [Music] 6th in the leadup to this November's election Donald Trump has repeatedly promised that he would use his presidential powers to Pardon hundreds of people convicted over the capital Riot we will treat those people from January 6th fairly we will treat them fairly and if it requires pardons we will give them pardons so you believe they hostages like President Trump absolutely political prisoners utterly can you agree with the pardoning of them if anyone who didn't you know hit a policeman or you know break through the doors utterly completely full uh and unconditional pardon absolutely emboldening the former president even further was a Supreme Court ruling this month month that Donald Trump has brought immunity from prosecution for official acts carried 48:02 out in his role as president in a dissenting opinion one Justice warned that the president is now a king Above the Law the decision almost certainly means Donald Trump will not go to trial on charges of subverting the 2020 election before this November's poll if the case is unresolved he could direct uh Department of Justice to proceed with the charges um the new attorney general could order that and could dissolve the investigation and I think it makes uh the election its own kind of jury because I think the American people will have to make a determination as to his culpability without the benefit of a jury going first hello welcome back hey you had to change SK now 2D well that's good can talk about Iran with what seems certain is that the next heads of crucial departments that over see the treatment of immigrants or insurrectionists will be chosen by Donald Trump's most trusted allies article was Str that could very 49:04 well include Sebastian Gawker who's already spoken to Trump about a possible role I said to him sir most exciting for me would be National Security but the most important would be Personnel we know who the real Trump supporters are who America First are you know the John boltons who were brought in and then can't can't wait now to go on CNN to slag off the president the drum boltons of the world will not be inside the building now um but but it is the most important thing God willing if we win Personnel Personnel Personnel doesn't the president though if it's Donald Trump or whoever need people in there who will challenge his View and sometimes say no Mr this isn't a no no this is not this is not a question of Yes man this is not having subversives in his inaugural speech in 2017 please raise your right the newly elected president Donald Trump vowed to end what he called American Carnage I 50:03 Donald John Trump do solemnly swear that I will Faithfully execute the office of President of the United States and will to the best of instead his Reign brought American democracy to the brink many believe that if Donald Trump once again wins office he will push the United States over the precipice so help me God [Music] congratulations Donald Trump does not believe in the Constitution he does not believe in the rule of law he does not believe in free and fair elections he's a liar and he doesn't believe in America as a world leader I think that's what will decide the next election [Music] you go back and read the writings of the founding fathers they designed the system to elect the president of the United States as a system to weed out 51:04 nefarious [Music] individuals Donald Trump comes into the presidency intent on detonating those guardrails he's probably going to be successful he's their Great White Hope or their great orange hope he is the orange wrecking ball that can smash into these instit tions that they feel have been unfair to them he's an avatar for their anger and they'll stay with him uh no matter what he said wants that he could shoot people on Fifth Avenue and he wouldn't lose a sliver of support he's right what do you say about the potential return of Donald Trump what do you say to your fellow Americans what it would mean for the United States its institutions and of course it's democracy I'm not sure the country Will Survive it honestly uh if if he really does intend to do the things that he says uh we would not have the kind of 52:03 Democratic Republic that we've enjoyed for over 200 years and now that shots have been fired there are fears that the Great American experiment in democracy could give way to a surge in political violence the fear I have is that no matter what the candidates do there are going to be people in this country who are going to be very unhappy and that's why I worry about civil disorder I'm not saying Civil War I'm saying civil disorder there could be you know some kind of you know violent acts that uh you know would be really problematic for the [Music] country I think we're building a city on the hill I think this is going to be a great culmination of our 250th birthday and the president Trump in office really being that Beacon of democracy across the entire 53:01 world this is the greatest experiment in human history for advancing um Bounty and and freedom across the [Music] globe he's a former president who led an armed Rebellion against his own country an armed Rebellion that if it had succeeded would have resulted in the murder of sitting senators and members of Congress and potentially the murder of his own vice president and I think we have to talk about the threat in those terms so he's already effectively taken up arms against his own Nation the question is whether the American people are going to put him in a position of power again to finish the job that's the real question next time on four corners the big issues dominating voters Minds so they're 54:02 heading for the end of the fence over affirmative so the wall goes this way for about 35 miles and it ended here stop The Invasion this is an invasion I've been on minority my whole life all they wanted to respect we've been called murderers baby killers I'm being indicted for you the black population it's offensive as a black man that is absolutely offensive black men find it relatively admirable there are fears that once again the election result will spark threats and violence you're going to be served LED you [ __ ] [ __ ] enemy communist classy shirts for classy ladies [ __ ] your B [ __ ] Your B if we don't win this time America is 55:04 gone America is gone [Music] [Applause] [Music]

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