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US ELECTION 2024 VP DEBATE ... C.D.VANCE (R) AND TIM WALZ (D) MSNBC: One was smooth, the other won: Rachel Maddow and MSNBC panel react to the vice presidential debate PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbov48PprMw Peter Burgess COMMENTARY This is a fun review of the VP debate. The panel has a 'D' bias ... which is good, and they do the critique with considerable humor, which is also good! However, it is scary that the polling still suggests that the Republicans have more than a fighting chance of 'winning'. Part of this is the role that the 'Electoral College' has in the process. It really is quite bizarre that the candidate with the most votes can lose because of the way the 'rules' have been created! Peter Burgess
One was smooth, the other won: Rachel Maddow and MSNBC panel react to the vice presidential debate MSNBC 7.4M subscribers Oct 1, 2024 #TimWalz #JDVance #VPDebate Rachel Maddow and a panel of her MSNBC colleagues share their overall reactions to the vice presidential debate between Governor Tim Walz and Senator JD Vance in which JD Vance gave a smoother presentation but ultimately lost the debate for his evasiveness and outright lies. » Subscribe to MSNBC: / msnbc Download our new MSNBC app for the latest breaking news and daily headlines at a glance: https://www.msnbc.com/information/dow... Follow MSNBC Show Blogs MaddowBlog: https://www.msnbc.com/maddowblog ReidOut Blog: https://www.msnbc.com/reidoutblog MSNBC delivers breaking news, in-depth analysis of politics headlines, as well as commentary and informed perspectives. Find video clips and segments from The Rachel Maddow Show, Morning Joe, The Beat with Ari Melber, Deadline: White House, The ReidOut, All In, Last Word, 11th Hour, and Alex Wagner who brings her breadth of reporting experience to MSNBC primetime. Watch “Alex Wagner Tonight” Tuesday through Friday at 9pm Eastern. Connect with MSNBC Online Visit msnbc.com: https://www.msnbc.com/ Subscribe to the MSNBC Daily Newsletter: https://link.msnbc.com/join/5ck/msnbc... Find MSNBC on Facebook: / msnbc Follow MSNBC on Twitter: / msnbc Follow MSNBC on Instagram: / msnbc #TimWalz #JDVance #VPDebate Transcript 0:00 YORK CITY. YOU SEE THE CANDIDATES BEING JOINED BY THEIR WIVES. USHA VANCE AND GWEN WALZ. I WOULD NOT DESCRIBE THEM AS EVENLY MATCHED BECAUSE THEY ARE SO DIFFERENT. SO DIFFERENT ON STYLE AND SUBSTANCE. VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM THE SPIN ROOM, TO HEAR FROM ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES TO GET TO ALL OF THE ANALYSIS WE ARE GOING TO GET TO. I THINK THE BIG PICTURE TAKE AWAY ON THIS IS THAT ONE OF THESE CANDIDATES IS MUCH MORE SLICK. A MUCH MORE PRACTICED, PROFESSIONAL DEBATE STYLE SPEAKER AND THE OTHER CANDIDATE ONE. THERE WAS ONE BAD MOMENT FOR TIM WALZ IN THIS DEBATE WHERE HE GOT MIXED UP AND EMBARRASSED IN ANSWERING A QUESTION ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT MONTH HE HAD BEEN IN CHINA IN RELATION TO THE TIANANMEN SQUARE PROTEST. BUT THEN ON GUNS, ON JANUARY 6, ON OBAMACARE, ON THE ECONOMY, ON BLAMING EVERYTHING ON THE BORDER, BACK AGAIN ON 1:00 HEALTHCARE, ON ABORTION, ON EVERY ISSUE ON SUBSTANCE. J.D. VANCE WAS VERY POLISHED AND VERY SLICK AND TIM WALZ BEAT HIM ON ALL THE SUBSTANTIVE POINTS. AT LEAST THAT WAS MY TAKE ON IT. I DO THINK THAT THERE WAS ONE VERY BLUNT, VERY EASILY DISPROVEN LIE ON A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT IS GOING TO BE REAL TROUBLE FOR J.D. VANCE COMING OUT OF THIS, WHICH IS HIM SAYING I NEVER SUPPORTED A NATIONAL BAN ON ABORTION. J.D. VANCE IS BLUNTLY ON THE RECORD AND ON TAPE SAYING I WANT ABORTION TO BE ILLEGAL. HIS ACTUAL QUOTE WAS I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE ABORTION TO BE ILLEGAL NATIONALLY. NATIO NATIONAL ABORTION BAN WHEN THAT IS OUT THERE, IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU NEVER WANT TO SHAKE ON 2:03 THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AFTER ROE V. WADE. >>> SO, I THINK THAT J.D. VANCE SPENT THE NIGHT BUILDING A BEAUTIFUL FORT OUT OF PICKS. IT WAS PERFECT. AT THE END HE SNEAKED ON IT AND THE WHOLE THING FELL APART AND HE WHHAD TO WALK OUT OF THE ROO OVER THE BROKEN TOOTHPICKS. I THINK ROTHAT, GOD BLESS THE PEOPLE WHO WATCHED THE WHOLE THING AND STAYED LOCKED IN ON IT. I CHECKED IN WITH 20 PEOPLE WHO DO THIS AND WATCH IT FOR A LIVING. NO MATTER HOW YOU WATCHED THIS, IF YOU CAN NOT SAY WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020 AND THE ONLY REASON YOU ARE THERE BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020 IS BECAUSE SUPPORTERS WERE SENT TO HANG MIKE PENCE THEN YOU LOSE. WALZ HAD GREAT MOMENTS. HE BUILT -- I MEAN JD FANS BUILT IT, HE WAS SPEAKING AS THOUGH HE WAS GOING TO BE MITT 3:04 ROMNEY'S VP. IT WAS A PERFORMANCE AMAZING AND DISCONNECTED FROM THE PERSON WHO HE IS RUNNING WITH. DONALD TRUMP. >> BUT STILL UNABLE TO SAY THAT TRUMP LOST THE ELECTION. >> AND IN THAT MOMENT. >> UNABLE TO SAY IT. >> AND >>IN THE MOMENT I THINK EVERYTHING THAT HE DID FOR 88 MINUTES WAS LOST AND WIPED OUT BY THAT INABILITY TO TELL THE TRUTH. THAT, THAT MOMENT WAS THE MOMENT OF THE NIGHT. WAIT, WHY IS HE HERE? OH, RIGHT. THE MIKE PENCE THING. THAT HWAS THE MOMENT OF THE NIGHT. J.D. ADVANCES VERY GOOD AT THIS. THIS IS WHAT HE HAS BEEN DOING SINCE HE WAS IN COLLEGE, TALKING TO LIBS AND BEING WELL, I SORT OF AGREE WITH YOU HERE AND THIS IS THE OTHER PART OF IT. HE DID IT FINE. I THOUGHT WALZ ON SUBSTANCE, HEALTH CARE, VERY, VERY STRONG ON HEALTH CARE ON THE BASIC OF THE TAX CUTS AND WHO YOU ARE 4:01 FIGHTING FOR. THESE ARE MEAT AND POTATOES. THE MOMENTS THAT BROKE ME. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE MEDIAN INFORMATION LEVEL OF THE VIEWER. THE LEVEL OF GASLIGHTING TO SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP SAVED THE ACA? HE SAVED OBAMA CARE. DID YOU MISS THAT? GOT UP ON NATIONAL TELEVISION AND SAID TRUMP SAVE TODAY IN A BIPARTISAN WAY. AND IT IS JANUARY 20th. AND THE BRAINED BASHED IN AND BLOOD ON THE CAPITOL AND 14 DAYS LATER WE DID IT. >> HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR THE TRANSFER OF POWER, BY THE WAY. IT IS REALLY RICH FOR DEMOCRATIC LEADERS TO SAY TRUMP 5:01 IS A UNIQUE THREAT TO DEMOCRACY. WHAT IS THAT? IN WHICH THAT HAPPENED. AT THAT MOMENT WHEN TIM WALZ UDS REALLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION? YOU REALLY CAN'T SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP LOST THE ELECTION? YOU CAN'T SAY THAT? THAT WAS THE MOMENT OF THE NIGHT. YOU MENTIONED SOME OF THEM. 25 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS. MORE LIKE 15 OR 16. HE SAID HE REPORTEDLY LIED ABOUT SPRINGFIELD, AGAIN. AND THE DID IT SO INSISTANTLY THAT HE HAD HIS MIKE MUTED. THEY WERE BROUGHT IN BY AN APP AND THAT IS AN APP THAT IMMIGRANTS CAN USE TO COME IN AND GET A CERTAIN KIND OF VISA. THAT WAS LAUNCHED IN 2020 UNDER, DRUMROLL, DONALD TRUMP. HE SAYS HE NEVER SUPPORTED A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. I HAVE HERE A PRINTOUT THAT IS ALREADY CIRCULATING ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA OF -- THIS IS FROM 6:02 THE CAMPAIGN WEBSITE OF J.D. VANCE WHEN HE RAN FOR UNITED STATES SENATE. HEADLINED 'END ABORTION' 100 PRO-LIFE. SOCIETY IS A PLACE WHERE WE SEE CHILDREN AS AN INCONVENIENCE, ON AND ON AND ON. AND GAVE ONE OF THE QUOTES, HE WANTS TO SEE ABORTION TO BE ILLEGAL NATIONALLY. TO STOP WOMEN FROM TRAVELING ACROSS STATES TO OBTAIN ABORTION. HE ROIS IN FAVOR OF A FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT TO STOP ABORTION. HE BLAMED UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS FROM RISING HOUSE PRICES, RISING FOOD PRICES AND MAYBE GHOSTS AND BAD WEATHER. HE WAS BLAMING UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS FOR EVERYTHING. WALZ WAS SKILLFUL TO KNOCK IT DOWN AND HE WAS SPEAKING AS A GOVERNOR. HOUSING COSTS AND HOW IT WORKS. THE BIPARTISAN WAY TO SAVE HEALTH CARE WAS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD. HE SAID MOST OF OUR SOLARPANELS ARE COMING FROM CHINA. 7:01 IT IS LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE. GOOGLE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, 80% OF THE SOLAR PANEL COMES FROM, DRUMROLL, THE UNITED STATES. TRUMP PEACEFULLY GAVE UP POWER. FORGET JANUARY 6th AND COULD NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION DID TRUMP LOSE THE ELECTION. A SMOOTH LIE IS STILL A LIE. J.D. ADVANCES SMOOTH. HE SAID NOTHING MEMORABLE. THERE IS NOTHING CLIPPABLE IN WHAT HE SAID. JUST ALL SMOOTH BLAND LIES. HE GOT OUTDONE BY TIM WALZ. MAY BE AWKWARD, TOOK HIM AWHILE TO GET WARMED UP BUT HE WON THE DEBATE. HE HAD SUBSTANCE AND RELATABLE AND HE DID NOT GO IN THERE TO SLAY J.D. VANCE HE WENT IN THERE TO SHOW HIMSELF. HE SHOWED HIMSELF TO BE BIPARTISAN. REASONABLE, PRACTICAL. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING HE DID NOT KNOCK J.D. VANCE OUT. HE WAS NOT CRUEL. THAT WAS NOT HIS JOB. 8:00 IT WAS OBVIOUS HIS JOB WAS TO SELL KAMALA HARRIS AS PRESIDENT. HE DID THAT VERY WELL. HE WON THE DEBATE. >> I WROTE A NOTE THAT HE WAS NOT ON OFFENSE AGAINST VANCE IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE DEBATE. HE CAME BACK AFTER THAT BREAK. AFTER THE BREAK AND WAS LIKE JUST DESTROYED HIM ON HEALTH CARE. THEN JANUARY 6th AND JANUARY 20th THING. I SCRATCHED OUT MY OWN NOTE. HE WAS MY NOT ON OFFENSE FOR VAN THE FIRST HALF AND THEN CAME BACK AND MORE THAN MADE UP FOR IT, LAWRENCE? >> YOU KNOW, HE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR THAT FINAL EXCHANGE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DID TRUMP LOSE THE ELECTION AND HE DOESN'T ANSWER. HIS TECHNIQUE IS TO NOT ANSWER. IT MAKES HIM THE VERY FIRST VICE PRESIDENTIAL PRESIDENT WHO DOES NOT KNOW WHO WON THE ELECTION [ LAUGHTER ] >> BUT. -- [ LAUGHTER ] >> A REPUBLICAN IS ALREADY IN OFFICE? >> IT CAME AT THE END OF A LONG LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT HE 9:03 SIMPLY DID NOT ANSWER. >> IT IS A ONE-WORD ANSWER, YES OR NO. HE KEPT TALKING. HE WAS THEN ASKED WILL YOU, MARGARET BRENNAN ASKED HIM WILL YOU SEPARATE CHILDREN FROM PARENTS EVEN IF THE CHILDREN ARE UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND ADD COSTS TO THE NATIONAL DEBT WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION TO THAT? NO ANSWER. WILL YOU MONITOR PREGNANCY? GOT AN ANSWER. HE SAID NO. HE SAID NO TO THAT. FINALLY, THERE WAS AN ANSWER. HE WAS THEN ASKED 'WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SEIZE THE FEDERAL LANDS? >> THAT IS A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BUILD ANYTHING IN AMERICA WE WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT IS AND A LOT OF 10:01 PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT TO BE IN THEIR BACKYARD. >> AND OF COURSE, WALZ FOLLOWED UP ON THAT WHEN YOU SEIZE THE FEDERAL LAND FOR THE HOUSING IS THAT ALSO THE FEDERAL LAND YOU ARE SEIZING FOR THE DRILLING? [ LAUGHTER ] ARE THEY ALL GOING TO BE TOGETHER. >> AND DO YOU REMEMBER THE ANSWER? >> NO ANSWER. [ LAUGHTER ] >> AND THEN WE GET TO THE FINAL BIG O NO ANSWER WHICH IS ON A LOOP NOW OF, DID HE LOSE THE ELECTION. AND THE INABILITY TO ANSWER THAT. JUST ON THAT VERY SIMPLE DEBATE CONCEPT OF HERE IS THE QUESTION, AND YOU ANSWER IT, HE LOST SPECIFICALLY ON ANY SCORECARD WHEN YOU JUST GIVE HIM A 0. >> CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE 11:02 MOTOROLAERATOR. -- I DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW HOW EVERYONE WILL ACT TETO THIS, A LOT OF WOMAN IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY THAT SHOULD COMMAND RESPECT BY VIRTUE OF THE DYNAMIC WILL SEE THEMSELVES AND SOME DO, THE DISRESPECT AND TALKED OVER. I MEAN THERE WAS A MOMENT LIKE THAT WITH THEN VICE PRESIDENT, IN THE HARRIS/PENCE DEBATE WHEN SHE SAID 'I'M SPEAKING' THERE WAS A BELIEVE WHAT HE HAD TO SAY WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DEBATE RULES AND THE MODERATOR. THE SUBSTANCE IS WHEN HE WAS LIING ABOUT IMMIGRANTS IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO, AGAIN. TIM T WALZ CALLED HIMSELF OUT O IT. NO, NO, NO, I AM NOT LYING, LET ME TELL YOU WHY I AM CALLING THEM ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL. THEY SAID THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE LAW. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE ARE ASKING 12:00 YOU ABOUT. >> THAT IS WHEN HE COMPLAINED ABOUT BEING FACT CHECKED, SAYING THE RULES SAID YOU CAN NOT FACT CHECK ME. THAT IS ONE OF THE THING THAT IS IN THE VIDEO THAT WE WILL BE HEARING A LOT OF. NORAH O'DONNELL DID A FACT A CHECK INDIRECT AT THE END OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE DISCUSSION, THE DISCUSSION ENDED AND SHE JUST SAID DIRECTLY, THE OVERALL CONSENSUS THAT CLIMATE CHANGE IS HAPPENING. THAT IS THAT, BUT THEN WHEN IT

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