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US ELECTION 2024 VP DEBATE ... C.D.VANCE (R) AND TIM WALZ (D) MSNBC: Rachel Maddow: Vance vs. Walz: MSNBC analysis from the vice presidential debate hosted by CBS News Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQefqDugp4 Peter Burgess COMMENTARY Peter Burgess
Vance vs. Walz: MSNBC analysis from the vice presidential debate hosted by CBS News MSNBC 7.4M subscribers Oct 2, 2024 #TimWalz #JDVance #Politics Rachel Maddow and a panel of her MSNBC colleagues share their overall reactions to the vice presidential debate between Governor Tim Walz and Senator JD Vance. Plus, Illinois governor J. B. Pritzker and former Missouri Senator Claire McCaskill join Alex Wagner in the post-debate spin room. » Subscribe to MSNBC: / msnbc Download our new MSNBC app for the latest breaking news and daily headlines at a glance: https://www.msnbc.com/information/dow... Follow MSNBC Show Blogs MaddowBlog: https://www.msnbc.com/maddowblog ReidOut Blog: https://www.msnbc.com/reidoutblog MSNBC delivers breaking news, in-depth analysis of politics headlines, as well as commentary and informed perspectives. Find video clips and segments from The Rachel Maddow Show, Morning Joe, The Beat with Ari Melber, Deadline: White House, The ReidOut, All In, Last Word, 11th Hour, and Alex Wagner who brings her breadth of reporting experience to MSNBC primetime. Watch “Alex Wagner Tonight” Tuesday through Friday at 9pm Eastern. Connect with MSNBC Online Visit msnbc.com: https://www.msnbc.com/ Subscribe to the MSNBC Daily Newsletter: https://link.msnbc.com/join/5ck/msnbc... Find MSNBC on Facebook: / msnbc Follow MSNBC on Twitter: / msnbc Follow MSNBC on Instagram: / msnbc #TimWalz #JDVance #Politics Transcript 0:00 UM A CORDIAL DEBATE BETWEEN THESE TWO MEN. UM I WOULDN'T DESCRIBE THEM AS EVENLY MATCHED BECAUSE THEY ARE SO DIFFERENT, UM SO DIFFERENT IN STYLE AND SO DIFFERENT ON SUBSTANCE. UM VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM THE SPIN ROOM TO HEAR FROM ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES HERE TO GET TO ALL OF THE ANALYSIS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO. I THINK THE BIG PICTURE TAKE AWAY FROM THIS IS THAT ONE OF THESE CANDIDATES IS MUCH SLICKER THAN THE OTHER IS A MUCH MORE PRACTICED KIND OF PROFESSIONAL DEBATE STYLE SPEAKER AND THE OTHER CANDIDATE WON. THERE WAS ONE BAD MOMENT FOR TIM WALLS IN THIS DEBATE WHERE HE GOT MIXED UP AND EMBARRASSED IN ANSWERING A QUESTION ABOUT EXACTLY WHAT MONTH HE HAD BEEN IN CHINA IN RELATION TO THE TIANANMEN SQUARE PROTEST. BUT THEN ON GUNS ON JANUARY 6TH, ON OBAMACARE, ON THE ECONOMY, ON BLAMING EVERYTHING ON THE BORDER BACK AGAIN, ON HEALTH CARE, ON ABORTION. UM ON EVERY ISSUE ON SUBSTANCE. UM JD VANCE WAS VERY POLISHED AND VERY SLICK AND 1:03 TIM WALLS BEAT HIM ON ALL THE SUBSTANTIVE POINTS, AT LEAST THAT WAS MY TAKE ON IT. I DO THINK THAT THERE WAS ONE VERY BLUNT, VERY EASILY DISPROVABLE LIE ON A VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE THAT IS GOING TO BE REAL TROUBLE FOR JD VANCE COMING OUT OF THIS, WHICH WAS HIM SAYING I NEVER SUPPORTED A NATIONAL BAN ON ABORTION. JD VANCE IS BLUNTLY ON THE RECORD AND ON TAPE SAYING I WANT ABORTION TO BE ILLEGAL NATIONWIDE. HIS ACTUAL QUOTE WAS I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE ABORTION TO BE ILLEGAL NATIONALLY SAYING I NEVER SUPPORTED A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN WHEN THAT'S OUT THERE IS SOMETHING YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO SHAKE IN YOUR CAMPAIGN, PARTICULARLY WHEN SO MUCH OF THE COUNTRY IS MOBILIZED ON THIS ISSUE OF REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AFTER THE FALL OF ROE VERSUS WADE NICOLE. OH, WHY AM I ALWAYS FIRST? BECAUSE YOU LOST THE SHORT STRAW, SHORT STRAW. SO I THINK THAT JD VAN SPENT THE NIGHT SORT OF BUILDING AN INTRICATE AND BEAUTIFUL FOR IT OUT OF TOOTHPICKS 2:05 AND IT WAS PERFECT AND AT THE END HE SNEEZED ON IT, THE WHOLE THING FELL APART AND HE HAD TO WALK OUT OF THAT ROOM OVER THE BROKEN TOOTHPICKS. I THINK THAT UM GOD BLESS THE PEOPLE WHO WATCHED THE WHOLE THING AND STAYED LOCKED IN ON IT. I, I CHECKED IN WITH ABOUT 20 PEOPLE, ALL WHO DO THIS AND WATCH THIS FOR A LIVING AND, AND THEY WERE KIND OF IN AND OUT OF SOME PARTS OF IT. BUT NO MATTER HOW YOU WATCH THIS, IF YOU CANNOT SAY WHAT HAPPENED IN 2020 THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE THERE IS BECAUSE WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED IN 2020 IS THAT DONALD TRUMP SENT HIS SUPPORTERS TO HANG MIKE PENCE, JUST ASK THEM, THEN YOU LOSE. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, GOVERNOR WALTZ HAD A LOT OF GREAT MOMENTS, TIM WALZ BUILT THAT PERFECT ARTIFICE. I MEAN, JD VANCE BUILT THIS PERFECT ARTIFICE. HE WAS SPEAKING AS THOUGH HE WERE RUNNING TO BE MITT ROMNEY'S WIFE. I MEAN, HE, HE SPOKE TONIGHT. IT WAS, IT WAS A PERFORMANCE THAT WAS KIND OF AMAZING AND TOTALLY DISCONNECTED FROM THE PERSON WHO HE'S RUNNING WITH DONALD TRUMP. 3:04 BUT STILL, BUT STILL IT WAS THAT TRUMP LOST THE ELECTION MOMENT, ABLE TO SAY IT IN THE MOMENT. I THINK EVERYTHING THAT HE DID FOR 88 MINUTES WAS LOST AND WIPED OUT BY THAT ONE INABILITY TO TELL THE TRUTH IN FRONT OF A HUGE TELEVISION AUDIENCE, CHRIS. WELL, THAT MOMENT WAS THE MOMENT OF THE NIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE, WAIT, WHY IS HE HERE? OH, RIGHT. THE MIKE PENCE THING, RIGHT? SO THAT WAS THE MOMENT OF THE NIGHT. UM, JD VANCE IS VERY GOOD AT THIS, RIGHT? I MEAN, THIS IS WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING SINCE HE WAS IN COLLEGE. AND THE LOVE OF LIKE TALKING TO LIBS AND BEING KIND OF LIKE, WELL, I SORT OF AGREE WITH YOU HERE, BUT HERE'S THE OTHER PART OF THIS LIKE, AND HE DID THAT ALL PERFECTLY FINE. THERE WERE, I THOUGHT WALLS ON THE SUBSTANCE PARTICULARLY ON HEALTH CARE WAS VERY, VERY STRONG ON HEALTH CARE ON THE SORT OF BASIC OF LIKE THE TAX CUTS AND WHO YOU'RE FIGHTING FOR. AGAIN, THESE ARE MEAT AND POTATO CORE MESSAGES. THE TWO MOMENTS THAT I THINK KIND OF BROKE ME A LITTLE BIT AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE MEDIAN INFORMATION LEVEL OF THE VIEWER, 4:01 THE LEVEL OF GAS LIGHTING TO SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP SAVED THE AC A, HE SAVED OBAMACARE. LIKE HE GOT UP ON NATIONAL TELEVISION AND SAID THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD SAVED OBAMACARE IN A BIPARTISAN WAY DESPITE THE FACT, TRYING TO REVEAL, REPEAL IT MULTIPLE TIMES. AND WALSH HAD A VERY GOOD FACT CHECK ON THAT. AND THEN I THOUGHT NOTHING WAS GOING TO TOP THAT. BUT WE TALKED TO HIM WAS HE HANDED POWER OVER PEACEFULLY ON JANUARY 20TH. IT'S LIKE THAT, YES, WHEN THE COUP FAILED AND THE COPS' BRAINS HAD ALL BEEN BASHED IN AND THERE WERE ACTUAL DEAD BODIES AND BLOOD ON THE CAPITOL. 14 DAYS LATER, WE DID MANAGE TO ACTUALLY DO IT AND HE DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR THE TRANSFER OF POWER BY THE WAY. HE SAID IT'S REALLY RICH FOR DEMOCRATIC LEADERS TO SAY TRUMP IS A UNIQUE THREAT TO DEMOCRACY WHEN HE PEACEFULLY GAVE OVER ON JANUARY THE 20TH. AND EVERYBODY'S LIKE, WHAT IS THAT ALTERNATE UNIVERSE IN WHICH THAT HAPPENED? I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT. IT SEEMS NICE AND MUCH LESS VIOLENT. 5:01 I MEAN, AT THAT MOMENT, WHEN TIM WALL SAID, YOU REALLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YOU REALLY CAN'T SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP LOST THE ELECTION. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. THAT WAS THE MOMENT OF THE NIGHT. BUT I WAS JUST GOING THROUGH AND CATALOG. YOU GUYS HAVE MENTIONED SOME OF THEM. HE SAID THERE WERE 25 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS IN THE COUNTRY. IT'S PROBABLY MORE LIKE 1516. HE SAID THAT THE HE REPEATED, LIED ABOUT SPRINGFIELD AGAIN AND DID IT SO INSISTENTLY THAT HE HAD TO HAVE HIS MIC MUTED BECAUSE HE KEPT TRYING TO JUMP IN AND CONTINUE TO LIE ABOUT THESE PEOPLE. HE SAID THEY WERE BROUGHT IN THROUGH SOMETHING CALLED THE CBP ONE APP. AND THAT IS AN APP THAT IMMIGRANTS CAN USE TO COME IN AND GET A CERTAIN KIND OF VISA THAT WAS LAUNCHED IN 2020 UNDER DRUM ROLL, DONALD TRUMP. HE SAYS THAT HE NEVER SUPPORTED A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. I HAVE HERE A PRINTOUT THAT IS ALREADY CIRCULATING ALL OVER SOCIAL MEDIA. THIS IS FROM THE, THIS IS FROM THE CAMPAIGN WEBSITE OF JD VANCE. WHEN HE RAN THE UNITED STATES SENATE. IT IS HEADLINED 6:01 AND ABORTION. HE SAYS HE'S 100% PRO LIFE BELIEVES ABORTION HAS TURNED ASIDE INTO A PLACE WHERE WE SEE CHILDREN AS AN INCONVENIENCE ON AND ON AND ON. YOU ALSO GAVE ONE OF THE QUOTES I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE TO SEE ABORTION ILLEGAL NATIONALLY. HE ALSO SAID HE WAS SYMPATHETIC TO THE VIEW THAT A NATIONAL BAN WOULD BE NECESSARY TO STOP WOMEN FROM TRAVELING ACROSS STATES TO OBTAIN AN ABORTION. SO HE'S IN FAVOR OF A SORT OF FUGITIVE SLAVE ACT TO STOP ABORTION. SO HE SAID THAT AS WELL. HE BLAMED UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS FOR EVERYTHING FROM RISING HOUSE PRICES, RISING FOOD PRICES, INFLATION, MAYBE GHOSTS AND BAD WEATHER. I MEAN, HE WAS BLAMING UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS FOR EVERY SINGLE THING. I THINK TIM WALZ WAS REALLY SKILLFUL IN KNOCKING THOSE THINGS DOWN INDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE HE WAS SPEAKING AS A GOVERNOR AND COULD SPEAK FROM HIS OWN EXPERIENCE. HE DID A GREAT JOB TALKING ABOUT HOUSING COSTS AND HOW THOSE ACTUALLY WORKED. THE BIPARTISAN WAY TO SAY HEALTH CARE WAS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD. HE SAID MOST OF OUR SOLAR PANELS ARE COMING FROM CHINA. IT'S LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE. GOOGLE, THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION THAT SAYS 80% OF OUR SOLAR PANELS COME FROM DRUM ROLL. THE UNITED STATES. 7:01 TRUMP PEACEFULLY GAVE OVER POWER ON JANUARY 20 KIND OF SKIPPED JANUARY 6TH WHEN HE WAS TRYING TO OVERTHROW THE GOVERNMENT. HE COULDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION. DID TRUMP LOSE THE ELECTION? A SMOOTH LIE IS STILL ALIVE. JD VANCE IS INCREDIBLY SMOOTH BUT HE SAID NUMBER ONE, NOTHING MEMORABLE. THERE'S NOTHING CLIP OF WHAT HE SAID. THEY WERE JUST ALL SMOOTH BLAND LIES. HE GOT OUTDONE BY JD UH BY TIM WALSH WHO MAY BE AWKWARD. HE MAY GOT IT. TOOK HIM A WHILE TO GET WARMED UP, BUT HE WON THE DEBATE BECAUSE HE ACTUALLY HAD SUBSTANCE. HE WAS RELATABLE AND HE DIDN'T GO IN THERE TO SLAY JD VANCE. HE WENT IN THERE TO SHOW HIMSELF AND HE SHOWED HIMSELF TO BE BIPARTISAN. HE SHOWED HIMSELF TO BE REASONABLE. PRACTICAL. HE SHOWED HIMSELF TO BE PRACTICAL. HE ACTED AS A GOVERNOR AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING THAT HE DIDN'T KNOCK JD VANCE OUT AND THAT HE WASN'T RHETORICALLY CRUEL, BUT THAT WAS NOT HIS JOB. IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT HIS JOB WAS TO SELL KAMALA HARRIS AS PRESIDENT. HE DID THAT VERY WELL. HE WON THE DEBATE. I WROTE A NOTE TO MYSELF THAT HE WAS NOT ON OFFENSE AGAINST VANCE IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE DEBATE. 8:05 AND THEN HE CAME BACK AFTER THAT BREAK RIGHT AFTER THE BREAK, IT WAS LIKE, JUST DESTROYED HIM HEALTH CARE. AND THEN THE JANUARY 6TH, JANUARY 20TH THING, I MEAN, I SCRATCHED OUT MY OWN NOTE. TRUE. HE WAS NOT ON OFFENSE AGAINST YES FOR THE FIRST HALF OF THE DEBATE. AND THEN HE CAME BACK AND MORE THAN MADE UP FOR IT. YOU KNOW, HE WILL BE REMEMBERED FOR THAT FINAL EXCHANGE ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DID TRUMP LOSE THE ELECTION? AND HE DOESN'T ANSWER. HIS TECHNIQUE IS TO NOT ANSWER. IT MAKES HIM, BY THE WAY, THE VERY FIRST VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE IN HISTORY WHO DOESN'T KNOW WHO WON THE LAST. THAT'S IS, THAT'S IS POSSIBLE. WHERE DID YOU SEE THE REPUBLICANS ALREADY IN? IT CAME AT THE END OF A LONG LIST OF QUESTIONS THAT HE SIMPLY DIDN'T ANSWER. HE SAID WORDS BUT DIDN'T ANSWER. FOR EXAMPLE, THE FIRST ONE HE DIDN'T ANSWER NOR O'DONNELL ASKED HIM. DONALD TRUMP SAYS CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX. DO YOU AGREE? THAT'S A ONE WORD ANSWER. YES OR NO. 9:05 HE DIDN'T ANSWER THAT. HE JUST KEPT TALKING AND HE WAS THEN ASKED, WILL YOU BEGAT BRENNAN ASKED HIM, WILL YOU SEPARATE PARENTS FROM CHILDREN EVEN IF THE CHILDREN ARE US CITIZENS? NO ANSWER DID NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YOUR BUDGET PLAN, DONALD TRUMP'S BUDGET PLAN WILL COST $5 TRILLION ADDED TO THE NATIONAL DEBT. WHAT'S YOUR SOLUTION TO THAT? NO ANSWER. YOU, YOU WILL YOU MONITOR PREGNANCY. GOT AN ANSWER. HE SAID, NO, ACTUALLY SAID NO TO THAT. FINALLY, THERE WAS AN ANSWER. HE, HE WAS THEN ASKED, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO SEIZE THE FEDERAL LANDS TO BUILD ON? AND HE GAVE NO ANSWER. NOW, THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO BUILD ANYTHING IN AMERICA, WE REALLY WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT IS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT IT TO BE IN THEIR BACKYARD. OF COURSE, BALLS FOLLOWED UP ON THAT BY SAYING, SO WHEN YOU SEIZE THE FEDERAL LAND FOR THE HOUSING, 10:04 IS THAT ALSO THE FEDERAL LAND YOU'RE SEIZING FOR THE DRILLING HERE? ARE THEY ALL GOING TO BE TOGETHER? NO ANSWER. AND THEN WE GET TO THE FINAL BIG NO ANSWER WHICH IS GOING TO BE ON A LOOP NOW OF, YOU KNOW, DID HE LOSE THE ELECTION AND THE INABILITY TO ANSWER THAT? AND SO JUST ON THAT VERY SIMPLE DEBATE CONCEPT OF, HERE'S THE QUESTION AND YOU ANSWERED, HE LOST SPECTACULARLY ON ANY SCORECARD WHEN YOU JUST GIVE HIM A ZERO FOR EVERY SINGLE ONE THAT HE DIDN'T ANSWER. CAN I SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE MONITORS? BECAUSE WE MODERATORS, WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON IT BEFORE THE DEBATE AND THEY DEFIED WHATEVER. I MEAN, THEY DID, THEY DID A GREAT JOB AND THEY ALSO USED THEIR MIC MUTING POWER. AND I ACTUALLY THINK IF YOU'RE A WOMAN THAT MIGHT BE THE WORST MOMENT JD VANCE HAD BECAUSE HE WAS GOING TO MANSPLAIN RIGHT OVER THAT MUTE BUTTON. HE WAS, AND AGAIN, I DON'T PRETEND TO KNOW HOW EVERYONE WILL REACT TO THIS. 11:05 I THINK THAT A LOT OF WOMEN IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY THAT SHOULD COMMAND RESPECT JUST BY VIRTUE OF THAT DYNAMIC WILL SEE THEMSELVES AND SOME DUDE THAT DISRESPECTED THEM AND TALKED OVER, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE WAS A MOMENT LIKE THAT WITH THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL IN THE HARRIS PENCE DEBATE WHERE SHE SAID I'M SPEAKING THERE IS THIS REAL BELIEF THAT WHAT HE HAD TO SAY WAS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE DEBATE RULES AND THE MODERATOR. AND TO JOYCE'S POINT, THE SUBSTANCE OF THAT MOMENT WAS WHEN HE WAS LYING ABOUT IMMIGRANTS IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO. AGAIN AND TIM WALSH HAD CALLED HIM OUT ON IT AND THEN HE WAS TRYING TO SAY NO, NO, NO, NO, I'M NOT LYING. LET ME TELL YOU WHY I'M CALLING THEM ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. LET ME MANSPLAIN THE LAW TO YOU AND THE MODERATORS IN THAT POINT NOT ONLY MUTED HIS MIC BUT SAID, THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THE LAW. IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU, BUT THAT'S WHEN HE ALSO COMPLAINED ABOUT BEING FACT. RIGHT? YES. SAYING THE RULES SAID YOU CANNOT 12:01 CHECK ME. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IN THE VIDEO THAT WE'LL BE HEARING. A LOT OF NOUR O'DONNELL DID A FACT CHECK THAT WAS INDIRECT AT THE END OF THE CLIMATE CHANGE DISCUSSION AND THE DISCUSSION ENDED AND SHE JUST SAID DIRECTLY, THE OVERWHELMING CONSENSUS AMONG SCIENTISTS IS CLIMATE CHANGE IS WARMING AT AN UNPRECEDENTED RATE. SHE JUST SAID IT NOT IN A DIRECT CONFRONTATION TO JD VANCE. SO I SAW THAT AND I THOUGHT, OK, THERE'S THAT METHOD. BUT THEN WHEN IT WAS A DIRECT FACT CHECK TO JD VANCE, HE DID COMPLAIN THAT CBS WAS VIOLATING ITS OWN RULE ABOUT THAT SENATOR ABOUT THAT. HE MENTIONED, I THINK REFERRING TO A NATIONAL BAN IN THE PAST, YOU HAVE SUPPORTED A FEDERAL BAN ON ABORTION AFTER 15 WEEKS. IN FACT, YOU SAID IF SOMEONE CAN'T SUPPORT LEGISLATION LIKE THAT QUOTE, YOU ARE MAKING THE UNITED STATES THE MOST BARBARIC PRO ABORTION REGIME ANYWHERE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD. MY QUESTION IS WHY HAVE YOU CHANGED YOUR POSITION? WELL, NORA FIRST OF ALL, I NEVER SUPPORTED A NATIONAL BAN. I DID DURING, WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR SENATE IN 2022 13:03 TALK ABOUT SETTING SOME MINIMUM NATIONAL STANDARD. BUT WAIT, I NEVER SUPPORTED A NATIONAL BAN. I TALKED ABOUT SETTING SOME MINIMUM NATIONAL STANDARD. I NEVER SUPPORTED A NATIONAL BAN. DO WE HAVE TAPE OF REALITY HERE? I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE ABORTION TO BE LEGAL NATIONALLY. SO, IF YOU'RE ON TAPE SAYING I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE ABORTION TO BE ILLEGAL NATIONALLY, THAT MEANS YOU SUPPORTED A NATIONAL BAN ON ABORTION. JD VANCE, AN INCREDIBLY SLICK FACILE TALKER. I MEAN, HE'S A PROFESSIONAL TALKING HEAD. THIS IS WHAT HE'S BEEN DOING HIS WHOLE ADULT LIFE. UM BUT ON THAT ONE, ON AN ISSUE THAT IMPORTANT TO LIE ON SOMETHING THAT BLUNTLY, I FEEL LIKE ARI THAT'S GOING TO FOLLOW HIM AROUND A LITTLE BIT. YES, A HUGE DEAL. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE MOST SIGNIFICANT SUBSTANTIVE. WE WERE HAVING DEBATE EARLIER ON THE TABLE ABOUT STYLE. THIS WAS A SUBSTANTIVE HUGE ERROR. 14:03 HE LIED, HE LIED BECAUSE HIS PAST POSITION IS TOO CLOSE TO THE REAL DONALD TRUMP PROJECT. 2025 POSITION. THE GOP PLATFORM ALSO TALKS THIS UP. IT DOESN'T USE THE NATIONAL BAN LANGUAGE, BUT THIS IS THE PERSON DONALD TRUMP WHO PUT THE PEOPLE ON THE COURT TO OVERTURN ROE, THEY ALL PLEDGED TO DO IT. THEY'RE NOT JUST LOOKING FOR SOME INTERSTATE QUILT PROGRAM, WHICH IS WHAT THEY'VE CURRENTLY FALLEN BACK ON. AS A I WOULD AGAIN, I SAY THIS RESPECTFULLY, BUT A NONSENSICAL OR LOGICAL DEFENSE OF THEIR POSITION. THEY ARE LOOKING LONG TERM AND IT'S ALL OUT THERE FOR A NATIONAL BAN, WHICH MEANS WHEREVER YOU LIVE IN THE COUNTRY, YOU KNOW, CALIFORNIA, NEW YORK, WHEREVER THAT WOULD BE THEIR POLICY AND THEY GIVING AWAY THE GAME EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY THAT REPUBLICANS ARE IN CONTROL. NOW THERE IS AN ABORTION BAN. AND SO IF YOU WANT ABORTION TO BE BANNED, VOTE FOR REPUBLICANS EVERYWHERE, THEY GET POWER, THEY DO IT. AND THIS IS JD VANCE AND DONALD TRUMP SAYING THEY WANT POWER NATIONALLY. AND HERE IS JD VANCE BLUNTLY LYING ABOUT HIS 15:05 OVERT STATEMENT THAT HE WANTS IT ILLEGAL NATIONWIDE. AND JUST BRIEFLY, THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT HE ALSO ADMITTED UNDER QUESTIONING. WAIT, I THOUGHT WE AGREED ON NO FACT CHECKING. THAT'S IMPORTANT IF LYING ABOUT YOUR POSITIONS FROM ABORTION POLICY TO WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6TH IS CENTRAL TO YOUR CAMPAIGN AND HOW YOU PLAN TO HOPEFULLY WIN OVER VOTES IS BY LYING TO PEOPLE. ON A LIGHTER NOTE. IT REMINDED ME A LITTLE BIT OF THE FAMOUS SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE IMPRESSION OF THE GERALD FORD DEBATE WHEN HE SAID, I THOUGHT THERE WOULD BE NO MATH AND THE JOKE WAS THE PRESIDENT HAS TO DEAL WITH THESE THINGS. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REAL GIVE AWAY FROM YOU. I THINK THERE'S LIES AND THERE'S MISREPRESENTING THINGS, RIGHT? SO JD VANCE SHOWED UP TONIGHT TO SORT OF PUT A SMOOTHER SHEEN ON TRUMPISM, WHICH IS INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S THE OPPOSITE OF WHO HE IS ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL. HE IS THE MOST AGGRESSIVE, THE MOST OFFENSIVE. BUT HIS GOAL WAS TO SORT OF TAKE YOU BACK TO THIS IDEA THAT PRE COVID LIFE WAS GREAT. 16:02 WE HAD THIS GREAT ECONOMY AND PEOPLE LIKE TO TEND TO GO BACK AND BELIEVE THAT FORGETTING THAT DONALD TRUMP HAD THE SAME ECONOMY SLIGHTLY WORSE THAN PRESIDENT OBAMA DID. BUT HE REALLY GOT UP THERE AND LIED OR STRETCHED THINGS WHEN HE WOULD IMMEDIATELY LINK MIGRANTS, ILLEGAL MIGRANTS, WHICH THEY'RE NOT IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO TO THE LACK OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH SIMPLY ISN'T TRUE. HE ALL BUT SAID DONALD TRUMP PROTECTED OBAMACARE. AND IN THOSE CASES, YOU'RE WATCHING TIM WALLS GOING, COME ON, LIKE, ARE YOU GOING TO GET IN THERE? ARE YOU GOING TO GET IN THERE? AND IT WASN'T UNTIL JD VANCE SIMPLY WOULDN'T SAY THAT JOE BIDEN WON THE ELECTION FREE AND FAIR. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT, WHAT GAVE THE GAME AWAY THAT LIKE, YES, HE WAS SLICK. HE GAVE A GREAT EXCUSE TO LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO PUBLICLY SAY THAT THEY'RE VOTING FOR TRUMP. HE'S OK. BUT RIGHT THEN AND THERE, YOU'RE LIKE, OH, EVERYTHING SAID BEFORE THIS, I'M NOT SO SURE OF. WE ALL KNOW WHO WON THE ELECTION. YOU KNOW, WE PLAYED A LITTLE BIT FROM THAT PORTION AT THE END OF THE DEBATE, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT JANUARY 6TH, THE DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE RESPECT ELECTION RESULTS. WE PLAYED A LITTLE BIT OF IT BEFORE. 17:05 BUT THERE'S ONE OTHER PIECE OF IT THAT WE HAVEN'T PLAYED YET AND WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT IT. SO LET'S JUST HEAR IT. I SEE A CANDIDATE OUT THERE WHO REFUSED AND NOW AGAIN, AND THIS, I'M PRETTY SHOCKED BY THIS. HE LOST THE ELECTION. LOOK, WHEN MIKE PENCE MADE THAT DECISION TO CERTIFY THAT ELECTION. THAT'S WHY MIKE PENCE ISN'T ON THIS STAGE. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS, WHERE IS THE FIREWALL WITH DONALD TRUMP? WHERE IS THE FIREWALL? IF HE KNOWS HE COULD DO ANYTHING, INCLUDING TAKING AN ELECTION AND HIS VICE PRESIDENT IS NOT GOING TO STAND TO IT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU, AMERICA. WILL YOU STAND UP, WILL YOU KEEP YOUR OATH OF OFFICE EVEN IF THE PRESIDENT DOESN'T? SO AMERICA, I THINK YOU'VE GOT A REALLY CLEAR CHOICE ON THIS ELECTION OF WHO'S GOING TO HONOR THAT DEMOCRACY AND WHO'S GOING TO HONOR DONALD TRUMP STUFF GOT REAL RIGHT THERE UP UNTIL THEN THEY WERE TRYING TO BE MORE CORDIAL. I HEARD ALL THE ANALYSIS TONIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED MORE NORMAL RIGHT THERE. 18:06 THAT'S WHEN NORMAL STOPS. AND YOU SAY, WHERE'S THE FIREWALL? BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GOING TO BE THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GOING TO BE THIS GUY IF HE'S THE VP. AND LET'S EXPLAIN THE FIREWALL POINT AND MAYBE WALL SHOULD HAVE EXPLAINED IT IN THE MOMENT. BUT HE'S SAYING, LISTEN, WE ALL SAW THAT DONALD TRUMP LOST THE ELECTION, CLAIMED THAT HE DIDN'T LOSE AND THEN UNLEASHED HELL IN THIS COUNTRY TO TRY TO HOLD ON TO POWER, EVEN THOUGH HE LOST THE FIREWALL WAS MIKE PENCE. MIKE PENCE, NOT ONLY RESPECTING THE CONSTITUTION BUT BEING WILLING TO STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP AND NOT DO WHAT DONALD TRUMP WAS ORDERING HIM TO DO. HE WAS THE FIREWALL. JD VANCE WILL NOT BE A FIREWALL AND THAT'S WHY HE GOT THE JOB NOR WILL MIKE JOHNSON. AND HE COULD HAVE SAID THAT, I MEAN, JD VANCE IS ON TELEVISION BASICALLY SAYING HE WOULD HELP HIM WITH ANOTHER FAKE ELECTOR'S PLAN THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE WHY HE IS THE RUNNING MATE. CURRENTLY. IT PROBABLY IS A BIG PART OF IT. THE OTHER PIECE. WE, WE HAVEN'T PLAYED THIS, BUT I WROTE THIS DOWN WITH LIKE EXCLAMATION POINTS WHERE JD VANCE SAID HE'LL HAVE MY PRAYERS, 19:05 BEST WISHES AND MY HELP. THAT'S WHAT JD VANCE SAID ABOUT KAMALA HARRIS AND TIM WALLS IF THEY WON. AND THAT WAS PART OF THE EARTH TOO, AS YOU LIKE TO SAY, THE ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE, WHATEVER YOU MAY CALL IT, YOU'RE LIKE, BUDDY, YOUR CAMPAIGN IS CURRENTLY PLANNING TO SUPPRESS VOTES, TO CHALLENGE VOTES, TO USE LAWSUITS TO MAKE IT TO CHALLENGE THE OUTCOME. I MEAN, THAT WAS, I MEAN, A JARRING MOMENT. TIM WALTZ HAD SOME GOOD MOMENTS, BUT THERE WERE SOME MISSED MOMENTS TOO AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN EMPHASIZE THIS ENOUGH. IT'S CALLED A BLOODLESS COUP FOR A REASON. RIGHT. THERE'S ALSO A BLOODY COUP. THEY DID TRY BOTH. BUT LET'S REMEMBER WE'VE REPORTED ON IT AND RACHEL, YOU'VE WARNED ABOUT IT. I THINK EVERYONE AT THIS TABLE HAS REPORTED ON IT. THE ORIGINAL MOVE BEFORE THEY RESORTED TO STORMING THE CAPITOL WAS THE BLOODLESS COUP OF TRYING TO GET THE STATES OR THE ALTERNATE ELECTORS TO OVERRIDE THE CONGRESSIONAL CERTIFICATION WITHOUT STORMING THE CAPITOL. 20:04 AND AS HE, AS THEY PUT IT, THROW IT TO THE, THROW IT TO THE CONGRESS FOR A BIG OLD FIGHT, THAT FIGHT INVOLVES OVERTURNING THE WILL OF THE VOTERS. AND SO WHEN HE SAYS THAT PUBLICLY AND HE SHOWED AGAIN, I THOUGHT THERE WERE SOME MOMENTS, I, I DO THINK FOR THE RECORD, JD VANCE WAS ABLE TO PRETEND THAT HE'S MORE RATIONAL OR LOGICAL SEEMING IN THESE 90 MINUTES THAN HE IS DAY TO DAY. AND WHETHER THAT WORKS FOR HIM POLITICALLY IS A POINT. BUT THERE WERE THOSE REVELATIONS. AND SO WHEN HE'S CAUGHT THERE, UNABLE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE WINNER OF THE LAST ELECTION WAS THE CURRENT PRESIDENT, WHICH IS A GIVEAWAY THAT YOU'RE STILL WORKING WITHIN THE BIG LIE AND DOUBLE DOWN ON WHAT HE SAID, WHICH IS WE WANT TO THROW IT TO THE CONGRESS. EVERYTHING ELSE IS BS. THAT'S WHERE I THINK OUR FRIEND NICOLE WALSH WAS CALLING FOR THE F BOMBS, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL GIVE YOU ONE. IT WAS FRIVOLOUS, IT WAS A FRIVOLOUS CLAIM AS FAR AS I CAN ON MS NBC AS FAR AS WE'RE GOING TO GO HERE, FAMILY TELEVISION BUT, 21:05 BUT THAT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE YEAH, YOU WANT TO STAND UP AND GO WAIT A MINUTE. AND I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY WALLS WAS ABLE TO DO SOME OF IT. THE MODERATORS I THOUGHT DID A DECENT JOB, BUT THEY DIDN'T DO A TON IN THAT MOMENT TO BE LIKE THIS IS NUTS. THE PERSON STANDING UP HERE IS PROMISING ANOTHER. AND AGAIN, I SAY BLOODLESS, HE DID NOT, I'M NOT SAYING HE ADVOCATED A PROUD BOYS INSURRECTION, BUT HE DID ADVOCATE THE END OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY. THAT'S NOT RIGHT, DISCUSSING HEALTH CARE, THE ECONOMY, ALL THAT STUFF, THAT NONSENSE. IT'S, ARE YOU GOING TO ACCEPT THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION RESULTS? ARE YOU PARTICIPATING IN POLITICS OR IS THIS JUST BEFORE THE WAR? YES, THAT'S THE QUESTION HERE, RIGHT? ARE YOU GOING TO SEIZE POWER OR ARE YOU GOING TO ACCEPT THAT PEOPLE VOTE ON WHO'S IN POWER? BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO CHOICES AND TO NOT BE ABLE TO GET A CLEAR ANSWER ON THAT IS, AS YOU SAY, THE WHOLE ENCHILADA, LET'S GO TO THE SPIN ROOM NOW TO WHERE ILLINOIS GOVERNOR JB PRITZKER IS STANDING BY WITH OUR ALEX WAGNER, 22:04 ALEX AND THANKS RACHEL GOVERNOR. THANK YOU FOR WADING THROUGH THE SCRUM TO JOIN ME HERE. LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DEBATE STAGE STARTING, I THINK PROBABLY WITH GOVERNOR WALLS'S STRONGEST ANSWER WHICH UNFORTUNATELY CAME AT THE VERY END. BUT I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT PEOPLE FOLLOWED THIS TO THE 90 MINUTES TALKING ABOUT JANUARY 6TH. WHAT HAPPENED AT THE CAPITOL AND ALSO THE CERTIFICATION 2020 ELECTION. HE WOULDN'T SAY WHO WON THE ELECTION. HE SAID I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE. HE BASICALLY SUGGESTED THAT TRUMP'S INTEREST IN ALL THE LAWSUITS THAT HE FILED OR ALLIES OF HIS FILED WAS ABOUT AN OPEN CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ELECTION. I MEAN, I THINK GOVERNOR WALLS GAVE THE LINE OF THE NIGHT WHEN HE SAID MIKE PENCE ISN'T ON THE STAGE. WHERE IS THE FIREWALL? NOW, THIS PERSON SUGGESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, JD VANCE WAS NOT GOING TO DO THE THING THAT MIKE PENCE DID, IMPORTANTLY, WHICH IS STAND UP TO DONALD TRUMP AS HE TRIES TO SUBVERT DEMOCRACY. 23:02 WHAT DID YOU THINK ABOUT THAT MOMENT? AND HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK THAT NOW IS IN THE FOREFRONT OF VOTERS' MINDS HEADING INTO THE LAST STRETCH OF THE ELECTION? THIS ELECTION IS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF OUR DEMOCRACY. AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT QUESTION WAS SO IMPORTANT EVEN IF IT CAME AT THE VERY END BECAUSE WHAT YOU HEARD WAS JD VANCE, NOT WILLING TO SAY THAT DONALD TRUMP WON THE 2020 ELECTION. I MEAN, HOW CAN YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT THAT PERSON SHOULD BE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IF HE CAN'T EVEN ADMIT WHAT IS TRUE? BECAUSE, WELL, HE'S THE MINI ME FOR DONALD TRUMP WHO CAN'T LIVE UP TO THE IDEA OR CAN'T, YOU KNOW, TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT THE 2020 THE ELECTION? SO I THINK THAT WE'RE YOU KNOW, THIS WAS THE PERFECT FRAME FOR THE REST OF THE DEBATE. IF YOU LOOK BACK AT THE REST, WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS A SLICK DEBATER IN JD VANCE WHO CONSISTENTLY COULD NOT ANSWER A QUESTION. HE JUST KEPT SHIFTING, SHIFTING, SHIFTING. AND WE ALL KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S TALK ABOUT HEALTH CARE. WE ALL KNOW THAT DONALD TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS TRIED TO WELL PULL BACK AND END OBAMACARE, 24:07 RIGHT AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, THEY TRIED TO DO THAT AND YET THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU HEARD FROM JD VANCE. IT WAS TIM WALLS WHO HAD TO CALL HIM OUT ON IT AND MAKE SURE THAT HE, YOU KNOW, WAS ANSWERING FOR THE IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE COVERAGE FOR PEOPLE WITH PRE EXISTING CONDITIONS. THEY WANT TO TAKE AWAY COVERAGE FOR, YOU KNOW, YOUR 26 YEAR OLDS AND UNDER WHO ARE COVERED BY THE AC OVER AND OVER. YOU HEARD LIES AND KIND OF SLICK ANSWERS FROM JD VANCE AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HEARD FROM TIM WALLS. IT WAS A GUY WHO IS LIKE A TRUST THAT LIVES DOWN THE STREET. I MEAN, THE COACH THAT YOU HAD IN HIGH SCHOOL THAT YOU TRUSTED THE TEACHER THAT YOU COULD CONFIDE IN AND JUST HE SPOKE IN A WAY THAT I THINK EVERYDAY AMERICANS, YOU KNOW, THE WORKING FAMILIES OF AMERICA REALLY UNDERSTAND. ARE YOU AT ALL SURPRISED THAT THERE ARE, I THINK A NUMBER OF MOMENTS IN THIS DEBATE WHERE JD VANCE WAS TRYING TO, I GUESS, BURNISH HIS CREDENTIALS AS AN EMPATH AND SUGGEST THAT HE KIND OF, 25:03 HE CARED ABOUT THE STRUGGLES. HE WAS MORE BIPARTISAN IN POSTURE THAN PERHAPS YOU'D SEEN HIM IN OTHER MEDIA APPEARANCES. YOU KNOW, HE TRIED TO AGREE AT LEAST NOTIONALLY WITH GOVERNOR WALLS ON SOME THINGS, EVEN THOUGH OBVIOUSLY THESE TWO TICKETS ARE DIAMETRICALLY OPPOSED ON SUBSTANTIVE POLICY ISSUES. BUT, I MEAN, DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO CONVINCE ANYBODY? BECAUSE AS YOU SAY, HE IS A FAIRLY SLICK ORATOR, HE WAS VERY REHEARSED, BUT IT WAS ALSO, YOU KNOW, A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT POSTURE THAN ONE HE'S TAKEN BEFORE. LOOK, HE'S A SLICK OR FOR SURE. BUT YOU SAW A LOT OF INCONSISTENCIES AND HIS WHOLE HISTORY IS A, A LIST OF INCONSISTENCIES. THE GUY HASN'T HELD A JOB FOR MORE THAN TWO YEARS. HE HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO KEEP THE SAME VIEWS ON THINGS. REMEMBER HE CALLED DONALD TRUMP? AMERICA'S HITLER, HE CALLED DONALD TRUMP A NAZI JUST A FEW YEARS AGO NOW. HE'S HIS RUNNING MATE AND HIS MINI ME REPEATING ALL OF THE LINES OF DONALD TRUMP AND DEFENDING DONALD TRUMP. 26:00 SO WHAT IS IT ABOUT HIM? IT'S THAT HE WANTS TO ACHIEVE POWER, HE WANTS TO GET IN POSITIONS, BUT HE IS WILLING TO WILL COMPROMISE HIMSELF AND ANY MORALS OR, YOU KNOW, ETHOS THAT HE MAY HAVE EVER HAD IN HIS LIFE IN ORDER TO GET THERE. THAT'S BEEN THE PROBLEM FOR JD VANCE. AND THAT'S WHY HE'S SO UNPOPULAR WITH THE AMERICAN PUBLIC. YES, HE HAS HISTORICALLY HIGH UNPOPULARITY. THAT IS CERTAINLY TRUE. I WAS STRUCK BY HIS, I MEAN, JUST HOW CANDID HE WAS IN TERMS OF THE PROBLEM REPUBLICANS UNDERSTAND THEMSELVES TO HAVE ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION. HE, AT ONE POINT SAID WE HAVE GOT TO DO A MUCH BETTER JOB ON ABORTION AND ALSO SAID, NOT ALL AMERICANS AGREE WITH WHAT I'VE SAID BEFORE, WHICH IS THE LITANY OF STRANGE AND WEIRD PROCLAMATIONS ON EVERYTHING TO WHAT POST MENOPAUSAL WOMEN SHOULD BE DOING TO THE AGE AT WHICH WOMEN SHOULD BE HAVING CHILDREN, DO YOU? I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL THAT SEEMS TO REFLECT, YOU KNOW, BROAD THINKING INSIDE THE GOP THAT THEY ARE HEMORRHAGING VOTERS ON THIS, ON THIS TOPIC. WHAT DID YOU THINK OF HIS CONCESSION TO HOW BADLY THE PARTY IS DOING ON THE TOPIC? 27:03 WELL, I REMEMBER WHAT HE WAS REALLY SAYING. HE WAS BASICALLY SAYING, WELL, TRUST ME AND TRUST DONALD TRUMP, RIGHT? THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL DO THE RIGHT THING, TRUST US. AND YOU HEARD TIM WALZ SAY WE TRUST WOMEN. THAT'S WHAT DEMOCRATS STAND FOR. THAT'S WHAT KAMALA HARRIS AND TIM WALLS STAND FOR. SO I THOUGHT THAT CONTRAST WAS VERY, VERY CLEAR AND YES, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY HAS A LOT TO ANSWER FOR BECAUSE THE DEATHS THAT TIM WALLS IS TALKING ABOUT OF WOMEN WHO AREN'T ABLE TO GET THE KIND OF REPRODUCTIVE SERVICES THAT THEY DESERVE BECAUSE DOCTORS FEEL LIKE THEY MIGHT GO TO PRISON IF THEY PERFORM THOSE SERVICES BECAUSE IT'S BEEN CRIMINALIZED IN SO MANY STATES. I MEAN, I'M IN ILLINOIS WHERE WE'VE HAD TO CREATE AN OASIS FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE EVERY STATE AROUND US HAS CRIMINALIZED OR GOTTEN RID OF ABORTION SERVICES. SO PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING HUNDREDS OF MILES, UNFORTUNATELY, BUT AT LEAST THEY HAVE A PLACE TO GO TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. TIM WALLS BELIEVES THAT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY SHOULD BE THE HAVEN FOR WOMEN. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO TO YOUR LOCAL HOSPITAL OR 28:05 YOUR LOCAL DOCTOR AND GET THE REPRODUCTIVE SERVICES YOU DESERVE. WHEREAS DONALD TRUMP AND JD VANCE ARE OK WITH PEOPLE DYING IN THE PARKING LOT. WELL, RIGHT. AND JD VANCE AT ONE POINT EXPRESSES EFFECTIVELY CONDOLENCES FOR AMBER THURMAN, THE WOMAN IN GEORGIA WHO DIED BECAUSE SHE HAD TO LEAVE THAT ABORTION DESERT, GO GET CARE IN NORTH CAROLINA AND DIED IN EFFECTIVELY THE BACK AND FORTH OF TREATMENT. BUT THEN ALSO ON THE SAME HAND, JD BAN SAYS, BUT I THINK THE ABORTION DECISION IS BEST LEFT TO THE STATES. WELL, THIS IS LIKE EVERYTHING WITH THE REPUBLICANS, RIGHT? THEIR POLICIES LEAD TO PEOPLE'S DEATHS AND THEN THEY SAY, OH, THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS, RIGHT? THIS IS THE SAME THING ABOUT A BAN ON ASSAULT WEAPONS, WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED IN THE UNITED STATES. WHAT TIM WALLS AND KAMALA HARRIS WANT FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES AND TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, RIGHT? AND WHAT DO THEY SAY ON THE OTHER SIDE? THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS WHEN PEOPLE DIE, BUT THEY DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AND PROTECT PEOPLE ON THE STREETS WHO ARE BEING GUNNED DOWN BY AR 15 S GOVERNOR JB PRITZKER OF ILLINOIS, 29:01 SIR. THANK YOU FOR TAKING TIME OUT OF THE MOSH PIT TO COME VISIT ME. GOOD LUCK IN THERE. GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK TO YOU, RACHEL THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT LIVE IMAGES HERE OF GOVERNOR TIM WALLS AND HIS WIFE GWEN. UM, GETTING PIZZA AT, I THINK THIS IS A PLACE ON 10TH AVENUE. I THINK I KNOW THIS PLACE. UM, YOU SEE SECRET SERVICE AND OTHER FOLKS AROUND, BUT THEY'RE JUST THERE. HE IS PAYING FOR THE PIZZA. UH WE THINK THAT BOTH CANDIDATES ARE OVERNIGHTING IN NEW YORK BEFORE THEY HEAD BACK OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL TOMORROW. UH OUR FRIEND, IT'S CALLED JUSTIN'S, I'M ADVISED. UM, OUR COLLEAGUE, SIMONE SANDERS TANSEN HAS JOINED US, SIMONE. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE DEBATE? WELL, RACHEL, I'M IN THE NICOLE WALLACE CAUCUS TONIGHT. LET ME JUST SAY THIS, THAT DEBATES ARE ABOUT PERFORMANCE AND THEY ARE ABOUT POLICY AND WHY THIS DEBATE WAS VERY IMPORTANT IS THAT THERE ARE MANY AMERICANS OUT THERE, NOT JUST MODERATE REPUBLICANS, THEY'RE BASE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS THAT ARE SAYING 30:02 THEY WANT TO AND NEED TO HEAR MORE. NOW, I THINK IT IS VERY FAIR FOR PEOPLE TO WANT TO CRITICIZE THOSE BASE DEMOCRATIC VOTERS AND SAY, WELL, WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED? YOU CAN DO THAT BUT THAT IS THEIR LIVE REALITY. AND SO IF YOU ARE TRYING TO WIN THEIR VOTES, YOU HAVE TO MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE. THERE WERE SO MANY NICETIES ON THAT DEBATE STAGE. I, I AM JUST KIND OF LIKE, WELL, IF YOU AGREE SO MUCH WITH J DB, WHY SHOULD THEY VOTE FOR YOU? I FULLY BELIEVE THAT GOVERNOR WALZ WENT OUT THERE TONIGHT AND DID WHAT WAS PRACTICED IN DEBATE, PREP, DID WHAT THE STRATEGY WAS THAT THE, THAT THE TEAM PUT TOGETHER, THAT WAS NOT THE GOVERNOR WALLS THAT WE, THAT I HAD SEEN OUT ON THE CAMPAIGN. THAT'S NOT THE GOVERNOR WALLS THAT I HAD SEEN DURING THE VEEPSTAKES. RIGHT. THAT WAS NOT THE JD VANCE THAT I KNOW TO BE TRUE. I MEAN, GOODNESS JD VANCE WAS ON THAT STAGE. HE WAS SORRY ABOUT AMBER THURMAN. HE WAS, HE WAS SORRY ABOUT A BOY. HE WAS SORRY ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF. HE, WE, WE GET THINGS WRONG. BUT DO YOU GIVE IT THE POLICY? AND THEN I JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT THE MARGARET AND NORA THAT I KNOW MARGARET DON'T DO THAT ON SUNDAY MORNING. SO I JUST THINK THAT I KNOW THAT THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT WANT NORMAL, 31:04 THEY WANT NORMALCY. THEY JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, JUST BE ABLE TO JUST DISAGREE WITH THE, OH, YOU SAID A LOT OF THINGS I AGREE WITH THIS IS NOT A NORMAL ELECTION. JD VANCE IS ACTUALLY NOT PAUL RYAN AND DONALD TRUMP. SURE. AS HECK IS NOT MITT ROMNEY. OK. AND WHAT HAPPENED ON THAT DEBATE STAGE? AND TONIGHT, IT WAS NOT ENOUGH CONTRAST. IT WAS NOT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR PEOPLE SITTING AT HOME OR FRANKLY WHO WILL PROBABLY CONSUME THIS THROUGH THE CLIPS IN THEIR LOCAL NEWS OR HERE ON MS NBC OR ON SOCIAL MEDIA TO DISTINGUISH AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. SURE, WE GOVERNOR PRISER WAS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. HE DID A LOT OF LIES AND PEOPLE KNOW HE'S, HE WAS CORRECT ABOUT ONE PART. JD VANCE IS A LOT OF LYING, BUT EVERYONE DOESN'T KNOW THAT JD VANCE IS LYING. THERE IS SOMEWHERE RIGHT NOW, A REPUBLICAN TIKTOK CREATOR PUTTING UP A LITTLE CLIP TALKING ABOUT HOW, YES, DONALD TRUMP SAVED OBAMACARE RIGHT. THERE WAS NO ONE THERE TO, I MEAN, SOME OF THIS. SO I THINK THAT GOVERNOR WALSH GOT BETTER ON THE COUNTER BLOCK AND TACKLING IN THE SECOND HALF, 32:02 BUT STILL IN THE SECOND. BUT ON THAT OBAMACARE POINT, SO WALSH CAME IN AND SAID, DONALD TRUMP WAS TRYING TO GET RID OF OBAMACARE AND HE WOULD HAVE, HE SIGNED ON TO THIS LAWSUIT, LOST IT AND THEN HAD A BILL TO GET RID OF IT AND WOULD HAVE GOT THERE. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR JOHN MCCAIN? YOU DON'T THINK THAT WAS A GOOD ENOUGH REBUTTAL. JD VANCE SAID, WELL, DONALD TRUMP STRENGTHENED AND SAVED OBAMACARE. THAT'S WHAT HE CAME BACK AND SAID, IT'S THE AUDACITY. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE'RE IN YEAR NINE AND NO ONE KNOWS HOW TO COVER THE AUDACITY. THE AUDACITY IS IT, IS IT SOMEONE SHOULD HAVE STOP IT, STOP, STOP. ARE YOU FING KIDDING ME? AND THEY SHOULD HAVE, THEY SHOULD HAVE DROPPED THAT F BOMB, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY SHOULD HAVE JUST, THIS IS THE DEBATE. THIS MAY BE THE ONLY CHANCE PEOPLE HAVE TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE. AND INSTEAD, I MEAN, I'LL GO BACK TO MY TOOTHPICKS. JD MANAGED TO PUT ONE LITTLE TOOTHPICK ON TOP OF THE OTHER AND SAID, AND I'M FOR THIS AND I'M FOR THIS. AND I'M SO SORRY, THOSE WOMEN DIED, THEY DIED BECAUSE OF DONALD TRUMP. ONE MAN HAD A LITMUS TEST FOR THE PEOPLE. HE PUT ON THE SUPREME COURT AND HE PUT NOT 123 ON BECAUSE THEY PASSED A LITMUS TEST THAT THEY WOULD OVERTURN WROTE. AND THAT'S WHY AMBER DIED. THAT'S WHY THAT LITTLE BOY DOESN'T A MOM AND NOBODY MADE THAT REALITY COME TO LIFE 33:08 BECAUSE I THINK IF YOU, EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T GET THE CONTRAST YOU WERE LOOKING FOR, NEITHER DID YOU GET ANY, ANY, YOU KNOW, WAKE UP AND SMELL THE SMELLING SALTS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LULLED INTO NORMALCY. LET'S GO TO ALEX WAGNER WHO IS IN THE SPIN ROOM AT THE SITE OF THE DEBATE WITH OUR FRIEND CLAIRE MCCASKILL. I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT CLAIRE MCCASKILL RISKED LIFE AND LIMB TO GET INTO THIS ROOM, ALMOST GOT BOUNCED FROM THE DEBATE HALL. I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO TASE ME TRYING TO GET INTO THE SPIN ROOM. THE SECRET SERVICE WAS A LITTLE OUT OF CONTROL HERE TONIGHT AND LIKE MOST AMERICANS, WE BLAME DONALD TRUMP JR FOR THE PROBLEMS. BUT I DO WANT TO, I WANT TO CALL HER. HE'S SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO US SO I WON'T GO ON AT LENGTH ABOUT THAT. BUT SECRET SERVICE PROTECTION, MUCH MORE HARD CORE THIS DEBATE THAN THE LAST ONE. CLAIRE. THERE IS A NEW SORT OF CVS. I WILL CALL IT A SNAP POLL AFTER THIS DEBATE. AND THEY, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ASKED WHO WON THE VP DEBATE, 42% OF THEM SAY JD VANCE WON IT. 34:05 41% SAY WALLS WON IT 17% SAY IT'S A TIE. DOES ANYTHING ABOUT THAT SURPRISE YOU? NO, I THINK THE DEBATE, FIRST OF ALL, JD VANCE TRIED TO DO ONE THING AND HE FOCUSED ON IT. HE TRIED TO BE TIM WALZ. HE TRIED TO BE THE NICE GUY AND HE WAS VERY SMOOTH. AND THE OTHER THING ABOUT JD VANCE IS THAT HE'S A BETTER LIAR THAN DONALD TRUMP. HE WRAPS IT UP IN PRETTIER RIBBON WITH A BIGGER BOW AND DOES IT WITH SUCH A STRAIGHT FACE AND DOES IT SO EFFORTLESSLY TRUMP, YOU KNOW, LOTS OF TIMES WHEN HE LIES, YOU KIND OF LIKE CAN TELL NO, THIS GUY IS A REALLY GOOD LIAR AND HE OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN, I FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR WHEN HE SAID ON THE AC BECAUSE I WAS THERE. I WAS IN THE SENATE CHAMBER WHEN JOHN MCCAIN WALKED IN AND GAVE THE THUMBS DOWN. I KNOW WHAT DONALD TRUMP TRIED TO DO TO THE AC AND THE IDEA THAT HE WOULD TRY TO PRETEND THAT SOMEHOW HE WAS PROTECTING IT. 35:06 THE THING THAT STRUCK ME ABOUT THE DEBATE IS I THINK MOST AMERICANS AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT THIS ALREADY, BUT MOST AMERICANS DON'T SEE THE VICE PRESIDENT AS THE POLICYMAKER. AND I DON'T REMEMBER ANY TIME DURING THE DEBATE THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THE PENCE YEARS WHEN TRUMP WAS PRESIDENT, THE PENCE ADMINISTRATION, PENCE ADMINISTRATION AND THAT PENCE DID ALL THESE THINGS. AND SO I DON'T THINK MOST AMERICANS REALLY BELIEVE THE VICE PRESIDENT HAS THE POWER TO PASS LEGISLATION AND IMPLEMENT POLICY UNLESS SHE IS WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT SHE'S SERVING. SO I DON'T THINK THAT IS, I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS PROBABLY THE DEBATE. POLLING IS SO CLOSE. AND I THINK THE DEBATE PROBABLY IN THE LONG RUN, EVEN THOUGH TRUMP, THE ANSWER WAS A REALLY GOOD LIAR. AND EVEN THOUGH HE TRIED TO BE REALLY NICE, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A WASH 36:00 I TO JASON MILLER, THE SENIOR TRUMP CAMPAIGN ADVISER AFTER THE DEBATE. AND I BROUGHT UP THE JANUARY 6TH EXCHANGE AT THE END OF THE DEBATE. AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, IS THAT A PROBLEM FOR YOUR CAMPAIGN? AND HE SAID, IF THAT'S ALL DEMOCRATS HAVE, THEN I'M NOT WORRIED, WHAT DO YOU THINK, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE WORRIED. I THINK IT WAS SO STARK. IT WAS AT THE END OF THE DEBATE, IT WAS A DRAMATIC MOMENT. IT WAS UNBELIEVABLE THAT HE WOULD NOT SAY THAT TRUMP LOST THE ELECTION AND HE WOULD NOT SAY THAT THEY WOULD NOT TRY TO DO THE SAME PLAY AGAIN. SO I DO THINK THAT WAS THE MOST DAMNING MOMENT AS SOME OF OUR COLLEAGUES SAID EARLIER, THAT'S KIND OF WHEN IT ALL FELL APART, I THINK FOR VANCE AT THE END, AND YOU REALIZE, OK, MAYBE THIS ALL WAS JUST AN ACT AND HE REALLY IS JUST A DONALD TRUMP WANNABE. I AM DISTURBED BY THE PHENOMENON THAT YOU HAVE CALLED OUT, WHICH IS THIS ATTEMPT TO REVISE HISTORY IN REAL TIME. IT'S SOMETHING OUR OWN. STEVE BANNON AT MS NBC HAS WRITTEN A BOOK ABOUT THE IDEA THAT YOU CAN BASICALLY REWRITE THE FACTS MINUTES AFTER THEY UNFOLDED. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S DONALD TRUMP SAYING HE HAD NOTHING TO 37:05 DO WITH THE KILLING OF THE LANKFORD BIPARTISAN IMMIGRATION BILL, WHETHER IT'S JD VANCE SAYING HE NEVER SUPPORTED A NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. AND THE QUESTION IS, IS THE SORT OF UNIVERSE OF INFORMATION SO BIFURCATED INTO THE TRUTH AND THE NOT TRUTH, EARTH ONE AND EARTH TWO, THAT ALL OF THOSE ASSERTIONS ON THE ADVANCED TRUMP TICKET DON'T ACTUALLY MATTER THAT THE LIES DON'T MATTER OR DO YOU THINK THE TRUTH ACTUALLY EVENTUALLY BREAKS THROUGH? I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW THIS THERE IS SOMETHING DEEPLY IRONIC THAT THEY HAD A DEBATE QUESTION ABOUT TIM WALSH MISSPEAK ABOUT WHEN HE WAS IN CHINA 35 YEARS AGO. BUT DONALD TRUMP SAID SOME OUTRAGEOUS LIES TODAY AND EVERY DAY MAKES OUTRAGEOUS LIES. AND THERE WAS NOT ONE QUESTION ABOUT BEING A VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO A MAN WHO SAYS DAILY MASSIVE THINGS. I MEAN, JUST WHAT HE SAID ABOUT KEMP AND PRESIDENT BIDEN AND THE HURRICANE DISASTER JUST YESTERDAY, 38:01 THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE MAKING A BIG DEAL OUT OF A MISSTATEMENT OF WALLS. WHEN DONALD TRUMP IS A WALKING LINE MACHINE, LITERALLY EVERY MINUTE, EVERY HOUR ON THE HOUR. UNBELIEVABLE SENATOR CLAIRE MCCASKILL, TAKE HER TO THE CLUB BECAUSE SHE'S GOING TO GET YOU IN TO YOU. WHAT WOULD WE HAVE DONE? HAD YOU ACTUALLY GOT TASED THOUGH CLAIRE? HONESTLY, I MEAN, WE WOULD HAVE HAD, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A STORY, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A STORY. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A STORY, ALEX. WILL YOU PLEASE ACCOMPANY? JUST WHAT GOT ME MAD WAS I FOUND OUT THEY LET THEY LET HANNITY IN AND THEY WERE ABOUT TO LET THE DOG PUPPET IN AND THEY HADN'T LET ME IN. I'M GOING, COME ON GUYS, THE DOG PUPPET WAS ADVOCATING THE DAILY SHOW DOG PUPPET WAS ADVOCATING FOR THE SENATE CLAIRE. WELL, ACTUALLY SAID CLAIRE SHOULD GO IN BEFORE THE DOG PUPPET. I SAID, THANK YOU FOR THAT. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, IF THERE'S ONE THING THAT CAN BRING AMERICANS TOGETHER? I MEAN, I REALLY FEEL LIKE THE DOG PUPPET CAN SHOW US THE WAY WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE OK. 39:02 SAY THANK YOU TO THE DOG FOR US. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME ASK, DO WE NEED TO GO TO JACOB RIGHT NOW? IS HE READY FOR US? OK. HE IS GOOD. UH JACOB SOBER OFF IS IN OAKLAND COUNTY, UM OAKLAND UNIVERSITY IN ROCHESTER, MICHIGAN. UM WE SPOKE WITH HIM AS HE WAS SETTING UP WITH A BUNCH OF STUDENTS WHO ARE GOING TO BE WATCHING THE DEBATE THERE, A WATCH PARTY AND HE'S CONVINCED THEM TO STICK AROUND EVEN THOUGH THE DEBATE ENDED, WHICH ITSELF IS A HERCULEAN EFFORT. UM JACOB TAKE IT AWAY. HOW'D IT GO, RACHEL? LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE. YOU GUYS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STICKING AROUND. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU GUYS STICKING AROUND THE GREEN FLAGS AND THE RED FLAGS. THEY DID THE WHOLE THING AND IT WAS AMAZING AND THEY DON'T HAVE THEM ANY LONGER. SO I'M GOING TO HAVE THEM START WITH A SHOW OF HANDS AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GOING TO SURPRISE YOU. THESE ARE NOT UNDECIDED VOTERS NECESSARILY. THESE ARE VOTERS WHO COULD VERY WELL TIP THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION COME ELECTION DAY BECAUSE THEY LIVE IN ONE OF THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL COUNTIES IN ALL OF MICHIGAN. 40:03 OAKLAND COUNTY. IT WAS 100,000, AS I TOLD YOU BEFORE THE DEBATE, 100,000 VOTES SWING FROM TRUMP TO BIDEN IN THE 2020 ELECTION. UH MACOMB COUNTY ONE OF THE NEIGHBORING COUNTIES IS ALSO A VERY IMPORTANT SWING COUNTY HERE. LET'S JUST START WITH A SHOW OF HANDS. DID ANYBODY COME INTO THIS DEBATE AND LEAVE FEELING DIFFERENTLY THAN WHEN THEY CAME IN IN TERMS OF CAN RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU CHANGED YOUR OPINION OF THE CANDIDATES BECAUSE OF THIS DEBATE? OH, REALLY? ONE? COME ON DOWN, DUDE. COME ON DOWN. COME ON DOWN. COME ON DOWN. COME ON. VERY SURPRISING. WHAT'S YOUR NAME? HENRY. HENRY, WHAT'S GOING ON? OK. SO YOU CAME IN FEELING WHAT, UM, I FELT LIKE JD VANCE WOULD HAVE BEEN A, BEEN A LOT WORSE. I THINK HE'S VERY AWKWARD. HIS, HIS OTHER LIKE PUBLIC APPEARANCES HAVE BEEN VERY AWKWARD. I'M THINKING BACK TO LIKE THE SCENARIO IN THE ICE CREAM SHOP WHERE HE JUST MADE IT SO AWKWARD FOR THE PART FOR THE, FOR THE EMPLOYEE AND THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON CAMERA MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE DONUT TOO, RIGHT? YEAH, I JUST THOUGHT, WELL, LIKE, WHY, WHY DOES, WHY CAN'T HE JUST BE NORMAL? LIKE THE REST OF US? LIKE, 41:02 AND THAT'S HOW YOU FELT COMING OUT OF HERE? I FELT HE DID A LOT BETTER. HE SPOKE, HE, I FEEL THE WAY JD VANCE WORKS IS HE WORKS VERY WELL WHEN HE HAS A LOT OF PREPARATION. THIS IS A DEBATE. HE KNOWS ABOUT IT, WEEKS AND WEEKS, WEEKS IN ADVANCE. SO HE, HE BETTER HERE. I THINK HE PREPARED VERY WELL. SO ONE OF THE THINGS WILL YOU DO ME A FAVOR? THESE ARE FOR YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UM ONE OF THE THINGS GUYS THAT I THOUGHT GOT THE STRONGEST REACTION HERE WAS GIMENO WAS TALKING ABOUT GUNS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE DEBATE. AND ONE OF THE STRONGEST REACTIONS UH I THOUGHT WAS INTERESTING WAS RACHEL. WHAT YOU WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT WHEN JD VANCE SAID ONE OF THE WAYS UH ULTIMATELY THAT WE CAN STOP GUN VIOLENCE IN THIS COUNTRY IS BY HAVING BETTER, BETTER LOCKS ON OUR DOORS. UH DID ANYBODY, DID ANYBODY REACT? YOU? YOU'RE LAUGHING BACK HERE THERE. NO, YOU, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? NORA, WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU HEARD JD VANCE TALK ABOUT THAT? AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW BECAUSE OF WHAT HAPPENED. UH AT ONE OF YOUR NEIGHBORING SCHOOLS HERE, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT, THAT RINGS CLOSE TO HOME. I THOUGHT IT WAS RIDICULOUS. I MEAN, THE ISSUE IS GUNS, THE ISSUE IS NOT BETTER LOCKS ON DOORS. 42:03 UH, REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT GOT A BIG REACTION IN THIS ROOM. AND I SAW A LOT OF GREEN FLAGS GO UP WHEN, UM GOVERNOR WALLS WAS TALKING ABOUT UH HOW HE WANTS TO PROTECT UH, A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO MAKE HER OWN CHOICES. I SEE YOU REACTING STRONGLY HERE. REALLY, ULTIMATELY GUYS WHAT THIS IS ABOUT HIS ENTHUSIASM AND WHETHER OR NOT IN THIS STATE THAT HAD THE HIGHEST YOUTH VOTER TURNOUT IN THE 2022 MIDTERM ELECTIONS, WHETHER OR NOT FOLKS LIKE THIS ARE GOING TO BE COMPELLED TO COME OUT. THESE GUYS ARE COMPELLED TO STAY HERE UNTIL 11 O'CLOCK, 11, EXCUSE ME, 27 ON A SCHOOL NIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU HEARD THAT ANSWER. WHAT DID YOU THINK? UM, SORRY, COULD YOU REPEAT THAT? REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM? WHAT DID YOU THINK WHEN YOU HEARD, UH, GOVERNOR WALLS, UH, SAY HE, THAT, HE THOUGHT IT WAS A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO, UM, MAKE HER OWN CHOICES. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THAT. LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED COMMON SENSE ALMOST, BUT IT ISN'T, IT'S BECOME SUCH A HEATED DEBATE FOR WHAT FEELS LIKE SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER. AND HE JUST KIND OF VOICED THAT THE OTHER ONE WAS IMMIGRATION. 43:00 I THOUGHT GOD AND YOU GUYS CORRECT ME IF YOU FEEL LIKE I'M MISSTATING EVERYTHING HERE. BUT ON IMMIGRATION, UM THERE, NUMBER ONE, THERE WAS A LOUD LAUGH IN THIS ROOM WHEN THOSE MICS GOT SHUT OFF. UH AND THAT WAS, OF COURSE, AROUND THE ISSUE OF THE HAITIANS THAT ARE IN SPRINGFIELD, OHIO UNDER THE TEMPORARY PROTECTED STATUS. JD VANCE WAS SAYING, SENATOR VANCE WAS SAYING THAT THEY WERE THERE ILLEGALLY. OF COURSE, THAT WASN'T TRUE. THE MODERATOR POINTED OUT AND THEY CUT THE MIC. BUT I ALSO THOUGHT YOU GUYS IN THE ROOM RESPONDED STRONGLY TO THE PUSHBACK ON THE POINT THAT PRESIDENT BIDEN AND VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS PUT FORWARD ONE OF THE STRONGEST AND MOST CONSERVATIVE ACTUALLY, IMMIGRATION BILLS IN RECENT HISTORY. AND DONALD TRUMP KILLED THAT BILL? DID ANYBODY DID THAT? DID THAT? DID THAT RING? TRUE. AND YOU'RE UP HERE, LET ME JUST COME UP HERE WITH YOU REAL QUICK. YOU'RE NOT IN YOUR HEAD. YES. HI. WHAT'S YOUR NAME? JAMES? WHY WAS THAT SOMETHING JAMES THAT RESONATED WITH YOU? UM IT IS TRUE. CONGRESS HAS POWER FOR THESE IMMIGRATION POLICIES AND IT JUST KEEPS GETTING PUSHED BACK BETWEEN THE PRESIDENCY TO PRESIDENCY, WHICH CONGRESS DOES HAVE POWER IN THESE SITUATIONS. 44:04 IT'S REALLY JUST FORMING A DEMONIZATION OF IMMIGRANTS, WHICH IS SUCH AN ISSUE. UH WE SEE A LOT OF VIOLENCE AGAINST IMMIGRANT COMMUNITIES, THESE ARE NOT ILLEGAL PEOPLE, THEY COME HERE UNDOCUMENTED FOR WHATEVER WHATEVER REASON THERE IS. AND IT'S JUST CAUSING MORE HARM THAN ANYTHING. AND WE JUST NEED TO PUSH TOWARDS LIKE TRUE POLICY RATHER THAN LIKE ALL THESE LIKE TALK POINTS. I APPRECIATE IT YOU GUYS. AND I GUESS UM YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE FINAL THING THAT I JUST WANTED TO ASK, UM WE WERE TALKING MARCUS ABOUT THIS, THIS CONSTANT CRITICISM ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT NOT BEING ABLE UH ABOUT THE VICE PRESIDENT BEING IN OFFICE FOR THESE LAST, HE'S ALREADY, HE'S ALREADY UPSET ABOUT IT. THE VICE PRESIDENT BEING IN OFFICE FOR ALL THESE YEARS AND NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE CHANGE WAS THE ALLEGATION FROM JD VANCE. YOU SAID TO ME, I'VE BEEN TO HIGH SCHOOL CIVICS CLASS. WHY DID YOU SAY THAT? BECAUSE IF ANYBODY TOOK HIGH SCHOOL CIVICS CLASS, THEY'D KNOW WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT CAN DO AND WHAT THE VICE PRESIDENT CAN DO. I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK POINT. NEITHER CANDIDATE ON THAT STAGE TALKED ABOUT WHAT EXECUTIVE ACTION THEY'RE GONNA TAKE ON DAY ONE 45:01 TO DO WHAT THEY WANT. NOR WERE THEY ASKED BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT THEY CAN'T, THAT'S NOT HOW THE VICE PRESIDENCY WORKS. YOU DON'T GET TO DO WHAT YOU WANT. YOU DO WHAT THE PRESIDENT DELEGATES YOU TO DO. SO THAT ONE DAY MARCUS IS GONNA BE UH ALL OF OUR TEACHERS IN CIVICS CLASS GUYS. UM I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH UH FOR BEING HERE AND, AND RACHEL JUST REITERATE UM HOW IMPORTANT THAT THESE VOTERS ARE, THE ENTHUSIASM THAT IS HERE. UM YOU CAN REALLY FEEL IT. UH AND, AND IT'S EXCITING TO BE HERE WITH ALL OF YOU GUYS. WE APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH AND I KNOW THEY DO TOO BACK IN THE STUDIO, RACHEL, BACK TO YOU. FATE OF THE NATION IS IN YOUR HANDS FROM MADAM PRESIDENT JIMENA AND TO ALL OF THEM, VERY, VERY THANKFUL, VERY THANKFUL TO YOU JACOB FOR BEING THERE WITH THEM. IT'S INSPIRING TO SEE THEM. THANKS, RACHEL. ALL RIGHT, THANKS GUYS.

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