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COMMENTARY THE COFFEE KLATCH ... OCTOBER 5TH 2024 Trump's October Surprise!? \| The Coffee Klatch with Robert Reich and Heather Lofthouse PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1PhNPlAkJM Peter Burgess COMMENTARY Peter Burgess
Trump's October Surprise!? \| The Coffee Klatch with Robert Reich Robert Reich 840K subscribers October 5th 2024 ... Premiered 4 hours ago The Coffee Klatch with Robert Reich Heather Lofthouse is back on the Coffee Klatch! Today we ask: Who won the VP debate? Will there be an October surprise? Will the shocking new revelations about Trump's alleged crimes make any difference? And more! Please pour yourself a cup and join us. Transcript Transcript 0:00 and it is the Saturday coffee clutch with Heather Loft housee and yours truly Robert Rice and Heather it is so delightful to see you again I am thrilled to be here and thank you to you and Michael Lanas Calderone for filling in for me I'm did Michael do a terrific job I mean should I even be here I mean where's Michael well Michel will he will be back but U and I and I want to express my thanks to Michael as well but um you look great and you feel good oh I'm fine I had uh I'm sure a of the listeners clotes viewers have had a pinched nerve and a herniated disc oh those are the most I mean really you know I know I know it's really I meain boring boring I'm better it's not it's not boring pain is bad pain is crap yeah and back pain I know back pain I know but people were so lovely in the comments so thank you so we're back did I ever tell you wait I tell you that I couldn't I I I was going into a campaign and I couldn't remember people's names I 1:00 still can't and I went to Teddy Kennedy and I said how do you remember names and he said oh no problem at all with this you know thick Boston accident he said if there is a Massachusetts accident he said if it's a man and he's over 50 just say how's the back that's so funny and then you're right where you left know um okay so let's get into it how about we 1:22 discuss the great economy Trump and the 1:25 latest January 6 Revelations and then 1:28 the aftermath of hurricane Helen and 1:30 other things okay good oh absolutely so 1:34 former secretary well look uh 1:36 yesterday's jobs report for September 1:40 was about the best job's report leading up to an election I have seen I've seen since what since 1996 maybe 2000 W I mean you could not want a better job report if you were running for office and this is the last one basically right basically the last one because because the October one is going to be very 2:00 close to the election but also it's 2:02 going to be distorted by Helen by the 2:04 hurricane so this is basically the last 2:07 official one and Republicans continue to 2:10 attack 2:11 Harris uh on on the economy obviously 2:15 the poll show that is where the Biden 2:17 Harris Administration is most vulnerable 2:20 but this economy right now uh although a 2:23 lot of people you can't say to people 2:25 you are doing better than you think 2:27 you're doing but this economy could not 2:29 be better right and how many jobs were 2:31 added uh a total of 264,000 now anything 2:36 over 200,000 is really really good uh 2:40 and also past months jobs were revised 2:44 upward right uh and uh and wages are in 2:48 very good condition because remember 2:50 inflation is coming down so as uh wages 2:54 go up they're going up not only in terms 2:58 of on percentage basis but in terms of 3:00 real purchasing power as inflation goes 3:02 down so in all almost all respects in 3:06 fact basically all respects I mean 3:08 manufacturing employment went down a 3:10 little bit uh but every other category 3:12 of employment went up yes now we know 3:15 that when you look at the advertisements 3:17 and there are many of them with a lot of 3:19 money behind them going out from the 3:21 Trump packs from Maga from everyone else 3:24 they all go after kamla Harris and the 3:28 economy and they're going after Jen 3:29 disease and it's all over Tik Tok and 3:31 it's things like um when your parents 3:34 were your age they could afford stuff 3:36 you can't because of Comm Harris or it's 3:39 um women saying I can't even buy 3:41 groceries anymore and you know why that 3:42 is kamla Harris and immigration I mean 3:44 that's just a they polls they're doing a 3:47 lot of polls behind every ad is every a 3:50 huge amount of opposition research the 3:52 interesting thing is number one all of 3:54 the trends the economic Trends are in 3:56 favor of the Biden Harris Administration 3:59 so that line although it still is 4:02 powerful a lot of young people cannot 4:04 afford rent they can't afford to start 4:06 families I hear a lot of complaints from 4:08 young people nevertheless the trends are 4:11 in the right direction so how do we get 4:14 that information out does Kam haris go 4:16 on Joe Rogan I mean what is happening 4:18 well she might go on Fox news for 4:20 example I mean it's fun to watch Fox 4:22 Business Report actually report on this 4:24 economy because they're 4:26 so well U it it is possible to actually 4:30 get the word out I I think I think the 4:32 important thing to keep in mind is that 4:34 almost all of the advertising dollars 4:36 from the Trump campaign are going 4:39 to uh denigrate Harris uh they're not 4:43 trying to build up Trump uh they know 4:46 that's a lost cause and 95% of Americans 4:49 already know Trump no they are taking 4:51 advantage of the what I was calling the 4:54 information a symmetry because a lot of 4:57 people don't know Harris uh this is what 4:59 the vice presidential debate was really 5:01 about I mean what both of them tried to 5:03 do and unfortunately I think that in 5:07 some ways fans did it better U for his 5:10 side uh than uh you know than Waltz did 5:14 for his side but uh that is to talk 5:18 about Harris right there was almost 5:20 there was very little talk about Trump I 5:21 mean uh walls tried to make it about 5:23 Trump uh but uh but Vance is a very very 5:28 polished debater and he push that back y 5:31 he did and he carefully made it about 5:33 himself because he wants 2028 to be 5:36 about himself that's exactly the other 5:38 thing that he was trying to position 5:40 himself for he is The Heir Apparent for 5:43 the Republican nomination in 20128 5:46 regardless of what happens this fall 5:49 regardless of whether Trump is in or not 5:51 in uh if he's in jail well and he's in 5:55 if he's in all the places if he's 5:57 wherever he is wherever he is uh and I 6:00 think that's a that's a huge problem uh 6:03 Vance's negatives going into the debate 6:06 were higher than any negatives in recent 6:08 memory for a vice presidential candidate 6:11 because of all the you know the cat 6:12 ladies uh and the eating of the cats and 6:15 I mean all that crazy stuff that came 6:18 out of his mouth but in the debate 6:20 itself he projected a kind of um 6:24 reasonableness I know he really did and 6:26 unfor unfortunately um while did not 6:30 break into that I know I wish that's I 6:32 was watching you and Michael and I was 6:34 thinking the same thing I wanted him to 6:35 chip away at it and have a few more wins 6:38 he did have that fabulous oneliner which 6:40 I mean not very many people saw this 6:42 debate let's be clear relatively 6:44 speaking but he had that one liner about 6:47 the damning non-answer when he looked 6:50 which was great at Vance and said do you 6:53 think Donald Trump won the election and 6:55 of course Vance would not say no no I'm 6:59 focusing on the future and this but but 7:01 this is also a very important point the 7:02 reason that Mike Pence was not there the 7:05 reason that Vance became the vice 7:07 presidential candidate is it was very 7:09 clear he is willing in fact he has said 7:13 as much he has said uh repeatedly he is 7:16 willing and would be if he were Vice 7:18 President uh in charge of the Senate he 7:21 would be willing to rig it for Donald 7:25 Trump he'd be willing to do what Michael 7:28 Mike Pence was not willing to do I know 7:30 I know I mean this is this is a man who 7:33 is the embodiment of not only Maga but 7:37 also the anti-democracy movement Heather 7:40 this is I I get very very wild about 7:44 this uh because Vance is not just 7:46 unprincipled he's unprincipled in a very 7:49 specific way he is the mouthpiece for 7:53 those people including Peter teal who 7:56 were the was the major backer of Vance 7:58 in the Senate uh for Senate campaign who 8:01 want to basically end American democracy 8:04 I know I know now you mentioned Pence do 8:06 you think he'll come out and say you 8:08 know similar to Liz Cheney no and say 8:11 I'm Pro no he's he's not demonstrative 8:16 enough he and he doesn't have I don't 8:18 think I mean I'm waiting for George W 8:20 bush frankly we know we all are uh I 8:22 mean and Mitt Romney I mean why aren't 8:24 Mitt Romney and George W bush coming out 8:27 and saying we are supporting KLA Harris 8:29 step up men I mean we 8:31 have um Liz Cheney who is on the trail 8:36 and she is making fabulous speeches and 8:39 showing extreme support and it was a 8:41 really did you watch that I really 8:43 appreciated the two of them I I did and 8:46 I do I mean Liz Cheney you know I when 8:48 she was in Congress uh I disagreed with 8:52 her votes 95% of the time maybe more 8:55 maybe 98% of the time but on the 8:57 Transcendent issue of our democracy 9:01 which which over which is really when I 9:03 say Transcendent you know we can 9:05 disagree of Republicans Democrats about 9:08 all sorts of things but we have to agree 9:10 on how we work out our disagreements and 9:14 that's called democracy right and that's 9:16 where she has shown and the Constitution 9:18 chy yeah and even her father I know I 9:21 mean would I ever imagine that I would 9:23 be sitting here saying Dick Cheney uh 9:26 actually has the right judgment about 9:28 the biggest issue because it's about 9:30 Fitness right it's about who he is I 9:33 mean he just can't do it I was at the ER 9:35 for my back the other day and I thought 9:38 I mean Trump wouldn't be allowed to be a 9:41 physician he'd be disbarred from being a 9:43 lawyer he shouldn't be the manager of my 9:46 local pizza shop but here we are but he 9:49 did get first class honors in con man he 9:54 did he I mean he's the best com man I 9:56 mean he had to design his own trophy but 9:57 well he did yeah and he he 10:00 trop put himself on Time Magazine cover 10:03 U but uh you're right I mean he has no 10:05 expertise whatsoever we're talking about 10:07 Donald Trump uh except in conning I know 10:11 and Liz Cheney has spoken up okay so 10:13 when is everyone else going to speak up 10:14 come on okay so judge 10:17 chuin speaking of speaking up speaking 10:20 up releas there's another person I think 10:22 of a a great deal of Integrity Y and so 10:25 she has come out and she has released 10:26 these January 6 briefings written by 10:31 special counil Jack Smith and and this 10:33 is uh you know to the extent that 10:35 there's any October surprise this is not 10:37 a big surprise uh but it provides a 10:40 little bit more detail about uh what 10:43 happened January 6th I mean here is 10:45 Trump we knew he was watching uh Fox 10:48 News uh when all of this is going on and 10:51 on Twitter when there is the riot going 10:54 on we knew he was told by many of the 10:58 people around him that the vice 11:00 president's life was in danger but I so 11:03 what that's it y That's it Sorry I Stole 11:06 Your punchline so no but that's but that 11:09 so what when he is told that and he 11:12 turns and he says so 11:14 what Bob I mean that's the president and 11:18 the vice president of the United States 11:20 in death I mean I think it's that kind 11:23 of detail it may not I think everybody's 11:26 made up their minds about about Donald 11:27 Trump as I said before uh but it may 11:30 push a few people just at who are 11:33 wavering toward KLA Harris we cannot 11:36 have Donald Trump president again I know 11:38 it well I think yeah I think we got to 11:40 get all the messaging out from that 11:43 we've got to ring it whatever we can get 11:45 out and I would love to see I mean poor 11:47 KLA she must be so tired but I am so 11:49 motivated by her every time I see her 11:52 and I am so hopeful but I want her to 11:54 get on more news shows she's got to get 11:56 out there as much as she can on 11:59 television on radio uh and defining 12:02 herself uh I think the rallies are fine 12:05 I think the individual uh events are 12:08 fine but at this point when we are 12:10 really four weeks to the election almost 12:13 I mean she's got to uh she's got to be 12:16 in person in front of cameras and people 12:19 have got to see her this is the most 12:21 important thing in this election I've 12:23 been seeing all these memes and tweets 12:26 and references to you don't have to tell 12:28 anyone who you're voting for and I've 12:30 seen it related to abortion right where 12:33 it's just go in and vote your conscience 12:35 and I've seen it um related to not 12:37 wanting to admit that you're voting for 12:39 kamla Harris to your you know 12:41 conservative family or whatever it is 12:43 and on the one hand I was finding that 12:44 depressing I thought this is 2024 and we 12:47 have to have this secrecy and this is 12:49 who we are and then I thought this is 12:51 what democracy is how cool is that that 12:54 no it's no one's business what my vote 12:56 is it is nobody's business Nobody's 12:58 Business 12:59 and I tell but but young people I mean I 13:02 you know I still talk to a lot of young 13:04 people I still teach classes oh yes hi 13:09 you were one of my students um but uh 13:12 what I what what I worry about and I'm 13:14 going to be completely candid about this 13:16 with you Heather as I always am um I 13:19 worry 13:20 about uh young people and Gaza because I 13:24 hear over and over again young people 13:26 saying to me well obviously I'm not 13:28 going to vote for Trump uh but I have a 13:30 very hard time voting for Harris because 13:32 she's part of an Administration that has 13:34 been supplying offensive weapons to 13:36 Israel and look at 40,000 Palestinians 13:39 who are have died now what I say back is 13:42 if you think Trump is going to do a 13:44 better job than uh than the Biden Harris 13:48 Administration for the Palestinians 13:50 you're crazy you're crazy know and they 13:54 say back to me but I'm tired of having 13:57 to choose between the lesser of two 14:00 evils right and it's the principle and 14:02 this is where I have some agency and I 14:04 say well welcome to politics I know 14:06 welcome to democracy it's all about you 14:09 know nuance and making decisions and and 14:12 doing the best we can and weighing the 14:13 tradeoffs and getting enough people in a 14:17 good place in the Democracy that they 14:19 will listen to you to push them to a 14:21 further place exactly uh on the Middle 14:24 East though it does remind me that we've 14:26 got to at least address this issue 14:29 I mean the Middle East is exploding as 14:31 we sit here uh and we see Iran and 14:36 Israel are on a collision course this 14:40 could affect the election in two big 14:43 ways y one is oil prices and already uh 14:47 the Futures Market with regard to crude 14:49 oil is showing a bump up it's not 14:52 horrible because they Diversified we 14:54 have Diversified our sources of supply 14:56 around the world as has the rest of the 14:58 world but it is a potential problem and 15:02 secondly going into an election when we 15:04 have an act of Hot War as we have in 15:07 Ukraine and now in Israel um 15:10 is um is is it makes it very very 15:14 difficult it makes it tricky not only 15:16 for the candidates but also 15:19 for um for the 15:22 Democrats of course but I have to think 15:25 that kamla Harris this is and you can 15:27 say I'm naive or making things up I 15:29 would never say that never you could if 15:32 I was I would allow you to say but I 15:34 would never say Heather I've never said 15:35 that you well still um but she I mean I 15:39 think is she deciding our foreign policy 15:42 today I would like to think that if she 15:44 were commanderin-chief she would have a 15:47 different tack than Biden has had 15:49 including based on all that we now know 15:52 we are a year into this war in the 15:55 Middle East we are over a year into the 15:58 war in Ukraine and I would hope that 16:00 there would be some adjustments and some 16:02 realizations of what's actually 16:05 happening well I I think that you're 16:07 obviously right that she has not she's 16:10 she's she's not in charge of foreign 16:12 policy uh but I think that that could be 16:15 turned into a weakness because Donald 16:17 Trump says well I was there I I was a 16:21 thug he doesn't say Thug but he says I 16:24 was tough and you know they respect 16:26 strength and it's all about strength and 16:28 weakness and what he's saying satav vce 16:30 is here is a woman this is where his 16:34 misogyny comes in she is a woman you 16:37 can't you can't expect a woman to be 16:39 commanderin-chief y but then he won't 16:42 debate her again because that woman on 16:44 that stage ate him for lunch which was 16:46 her phrase exactly really yeah oh it's 16:50 great that was one of my favorite 16:51 debates that we've had to suffer through 16:53 together it was um I do think the news 16:55 has been better in terms of the sashing 16:58 of Trump which is kind of like the 17:00 brainwashing and just acting like you 17:02 know oh he did a he did a speech 17:04 yesterday and he said talked about the 17:06 economy and said they're saying there 17:07 were lies in that speech that speech 17:09 didn't make sense then he drifted I'm 17:11 seeing more of that on CNN and other the 17:13 media being honest about what they're 17:15 seeing in terms of Trump's decline his 17:19 mental decline his 17:21 incoherence and he's lying and well the 17:24 lying is too yeah but I think that what 17:26 they were saying a month ago or two 17:28 months ago and you're very right is that 17:31 well Trump is Trump I mean you know 17:33 that's just what we have and now they 17:34 are starting to say well he's losing it 17:37 yeah that's not just bombastic that is 17:41 yeah losing and I think this is where 17:42 the vice presidential campaign also 17:44 comes in because people have got to 17:46 understand Trump is the oldest candidate 17:48 for president now ever before uh the 17:51 chance of him given his weight and his 17:56 eating habits and everything else uh 17:59 and God forbid two attempts on his life 18:03 already during the campaign the chance 18:05 of him getting through if he is elected 18:07 the next eight years or four years um 18:10 well who knows what the chances are it 18:13 means that the vice presidential race 18:15 becomes so much more 18:17 important I know it um I feel like we 18:20 need to talk about the horribleness that 18:23 is Hurricane Helen and what has happened 18:27 and all the accusations that flying 18:29 because of course it's not just about 18:31 what's happening in terms of the climate 18:33 and human beings dying it's now become 18:35 so 18:36 politicized well everything is becoming 18:38 politicized but but this is the worst 18:40 Hur hurricane we have had in this 18:43 country since what since uh not probably 18:48 since 18:49 2004 2005 it's been bad um 850 people 18:54 already have died uh and the 18:57 consequences we don't even know how many 18:59 people ultimately have died in fact 19:00 there was a study just out of I hate to 19:03 say Stanford 19:05 University which in which researchers 19:08 found that the consequences of a major 19:11 natural disaster like a hurricane in 19:13 terms of deaths are much higher a year 19:16 or two or five or 10 out because of all 19:20 sorts of traumas that people suffer uh 19:24 so this is a this is a terrible horrible 19:26 tragedy uh and it is being politicize 19:29 and I have family who are on the coast 19:31 of South Carolina and they have lived 19:32 through Hurricane Hugo I mean so many 19:35 hurricanes and lost homes but to have 19:38 this go so far inland and in the 19:39 mountains it is a real wakeup call about 19:42 our climate climate crisis now what 19:44 Trump has said is that Biden is is not 19:47 giving Aid to North Carolina or to those 19:51 counties that have been which is a 19:53 complete lie it's a complete fabrication 19:55 and but a vicious fabrication given uh 19:59 given not only the fact that Biden is 20:02 providing and FEMA is providing and he 20:04 was on the phone with Governor Cooper 11 20:05 seconds after it happened but also 20:08 Trump's own project 2025 would gut our 20:12 Emery respon climate in it response to 20:16 climate disasters and everything else uh 20:18 I mean this is this is uh the worst form 20:21 of trumpian hypocrisy I know and then we 20:24 look back and we see that Trump 20:26 purposely did not give Aid to Blue 20:30 States right but you know who did give 20:32 to Red Biden and Biden of course he 20:35 would because that is what one does when 20:37 one is a president of an entire United 20:39 States you give to all the states and 20:41 you look at them all but not only that 20:43 he did it from a business point of you I 20:45 mean he is smart in terms of green 20:47 energy and thinking about the future of 20:49 America so he doesn't look at it as in a 20:52 partisan way he looks at it in a 20:54 holistic moralistic way and in a 20:57 business way in a Strate strategic 20:59 economic way well Biden is president of 21:01 all the people uh I don't think there's 21:03 any question when he was president Trump 21:05 was president of his followers and 21:07 states that were his States uh you know 21:10 in California we here didn't feel that 21:12 Trump was our president because he kept 21:14 on saying I'm not going to give you any 21:16 Aid uh with regard to your fires and 21:18 everything else that's that's a problem 21:20 in California uh but I think the other 21:23 issue here with regard to Donald Trump 21:26 and natural disasters uh and you started 21:28 to talk about it uh the climate crisis 21:32 has not become a central issue in this 21:35 campaign as I thought it would when 21:37 Trump denied there was every you know he 21:39 said it was all a hoax climate crisis U 21:43 but uh but it hasn't been now why do you 21:45 why do you suppose well so sadly when 21:48 you do messaging it is really hard for 21:51 climate to get even in the top five 21:53 things people care about now when you 21:55 talk to them as humans and you do 21:56 qualitative studies people say climate 21:58 the most important to me in including 22:00 young people but when you look at where 22:02 people are going online they don't 22:05 resonate with any of the climate points 22:08 messaging videos how can that be though 22:10 Heather given hurricane Helen given the 22:13 wildfires given uh the the record 22:16 Heatwave affecting the United States uh 22:19 and the rest of the world uh I mean 22:21 people are living living this and not 22:25 only are people living it but uh if you 22:27 are working class or poor even lower 22:30 middle class you are suffering the 22:32 consequences of of climate change to a 22:34 much greater extent than the wealth 22:36 can't just get out of Dodge and go stay 22:38 in a hotel and all of that I mean the 22:40 good the good news is is that after 22:42 there is a disaster there is a peak and 22:44 people saying oh when you say climate 22:46 you mean my home and my potential 22:49 livelihood so I think people do pay more 22:51 attention now but it is a just a tough 22:54 intractable issue to break through on 22:56 which is why more attention is needed to 22:58 it and more testing to see you how we 23:00 can get it out there it's interesting 23:02 before 23:03 2010 uh before The Supreme Court 23:06 actually said to Big corporations you 23:09 can spend whatever you want on elections 23:13 uh Republicans I don't know if you 23:15 remember this repu you were a very 23:16 little girl then Republicans Republicans 23:19 were actually talking about stopping 23:22 climate change and in the Republican 23:25 presidential primary of 2008 23:29 uh and also in in 2012 there were a lot 23:32 of Republicans who were saying here's an 23:33 idea or here's an idea or I think I 23:35 think we should have cap in trade or I 23:37 think we should do something else uh but 23:40 once that oil company fossil fuel money 23:44 started to infect our politics 23:46 particularly Republican politics 23:48 Republicans you don't hear anything in 23:50 fact what we have now is Donald Trump 23:52 saying to the major oil producers you 23:55 give me a billion dollars and I'll get 23:57 rid of all the environmental regulations 23:59 there was a sense that it was kind of a 24:01 conservative thing because you wanted to 24:03 be able to go hunting for your ducks and 24:05 you cared about the land and there was I 24:07 do recall that as being you know part of 24:11 the cultural mil around climate hello 24:15 conservatism conserve I mean oh good 24:18 point Teddy Roosevelt yeah I know now so 24:21 we've talked about a number of things 24:23 that could be considered October 24:25 surprises right in terms of the War 24:28 that's happening well multiple Wars in 24:30 terms of the economy um what is is there 24:34 going to be another October we're barely 24:36 into October and what is the history of 24:38 the will you remind us all the history 24:39 of the October surprise well it all 24:41 comes out out of the 1980 election uh 24:44 when Jimmy Carter and by the way happy 24:46 birthday happy birthday 100th happy 24:48 birthday President Carter U when Jimmy 24:52 Carter was running for office um and uh 24:56 you know he was tra he had had had one 24:59 term of office he was elected for the 25:01 first time in 76 but then the IR the 25:04 Iranian Iranian hostage crisis hit uh 25:08 and that was talked about as the October 25:11 surprise he could not release the 25:13 hostages uh there was some suspicion 25:16 that the Reagan people and the Reagan 25:18 campaign was trying to keep the hostage 25:20 crisis going until after the election I 25:24 I I think there's still some suspicion 25:26 about that so that was where the October 25:28 surprise began it wasn't just a zombie 25:30 jumping out of your haunted house had 25:34 nothing to do with Trump but I don't 25:37 this time around Heather I don't see any 25:40 obvious new October surprise the economy 25:44 is good uh oil prices we don't know 25:47 about that could be an October surprise 25:49 uh but um there's nothing on the horizon 25:52 that right seems to me to be an obvious 25:55 October surprise well we'll meet in a 25:56 week again and we might change our minds 25:59 I saw one thing this week that I thought 26:02 was so fantastic and that was what 26:05 happened in Georgia and it might not 26:07 last but I still felt a sense of relief 26:11 and like there is some sanity and some 26:13 smart people who care and are in 26:16 positions of power and driving good 26:17 choices in the world so on September 26:19 30th fton County that's in Georgia judge 26:22 Robert mcbournie he tried to strike down 26:25 God love him the Georgia life act so 26:27 basically we would be able women in 26:29 Georgia would be able to have abortions 26:31 past 6 weeks now everyone has already 26:34 come back at him and has appealed but I 26:36 thought his filing was so interesting 26:38 may I read you a couple sentences please 26:39 do okay thank you so he said um and 26:43 these are just a few sentences but I 26:44 just so appreciated them and the issue 26:46 to be decided here how to balance the 26:48 rights of a not yet viable fetus against 26:51 the rights of the only person in this 26:53 great wide world who can by choice or by 26:56 legislative imposition maintain that 26:59 pregnancy until it is viable I mean 27:01 that's what we're talking about here it's women if it is not for a legislator it is not for a judge or a commander from the handmaid's tale to tell these women what to do with their bodies during this period when the fetus cannot survive outside the womb any more so than Society could or should force them to serve as a human tissue bank or to give up a kidney for the benefit of another when someone other than the pregnant woman woman is able to sustain the fetus then and only then should those other voices have a say in the discussion about the decisions the pregnant woman makes concerning her body and what is growing within it it's interesting that is essentially the logic of roie Wade right and I love that notion of the com I mean I don't love it but what a powerful notion of the commander from the handmaid's tale yep and this is a male judge in Georgia saying think about it this time thing inside this person cannot live outside 28:01 that person this person should have the freedom to decide what is happening in that body you know it can't even live outside the body so you're having other people decide what's happening I mean this whole issue of abortion should be and is to a large extent the central issue of this election I mean the economy obviously people are kind of crazed about the economy even though the economy is doing very well uh and I understand it I'm not criticizing them but the issue fundamentally here is about rights over one's body freedom and uh that's really the issue and as W said I trust women uh well I trust women women too and I trust you I trust you and and I really I'm so glad to have you back I'm thrilled to be back than for your patience thanks for not kicking me to the curb you and Michael Heather who well Michael did do a Fab he's fantastic and we're 29:00 going to bring him back oh of course of course in fact I don't I'm not needed I mean Michael you anyway look at we want to thank all of you uh for bearing with us this last half hour and keeping up the fight I mean four weeks to go come Tuesday this is uh this is a nerve-wracking election say that term I just had a pinch nerve did you well it's a pinch nerve-wracking election uh and I don't don't blame you if you are feeling desperate and and slightly worried and and sometimes depressed uh I am too but we will get through this we will we will be victorious thanks we'll see you next Saturday good to be back well it's great to have you back you have and you have 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