Donald Trump is not a conservative ... he's a whacked out racist authoritarian reactionary

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• hi this is Jen Rubin and this is Jen
• rubin's Green Room a very happy and
• sweet New Year to all of my Jewish
• listeners and Watchers I hope your
• holiday has been a memorable one uh
• yesterday was an extraordinary day not
• only because it was rashash Shana but
• because Liz Cheney and kamla Harris
• appeared together in rapon Wisconsin
• which is the birthplace of the
• Republican Party Liz Cheney gave a
• wonderful speech about democracy about
• proudly endorsing kamla Harris about the
• essential qualities we need in a
• president someone who's going to protect
• and defend the Constitution someone
• who's going to respect the rule of law
• and who's going to be a champion of our
• values overseas kamla Harris then gave
• an extraordinary speech
• herself and I think the entire episode
• Illustrated a few things first of all


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• it's very common for Republicans those
• few brave souls who have endorsed KLA
• Harris to say something like we don't
• agree on everything or we don't agree on
• anything or we agree on virtually
• nothing it's actually not true they
• actually agree on quite a bit and I
• don't think it's necessarily helpful to
• say the only thing they agree on is
• democracy and that's because Republicans
• tend to paint the Maga Republicans tend
• to paint Democrats as Extreme as wigged
• out and in fact those pro- Harris
• Republicans and Harris agree on many
• policy POS positions and it's the mag
• Republicans who are off in outer space
• let me give you just
• two Liz Cheney indicated that one of her
• principles as a conservative was support
• for the free market that


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• Private Industry is the engine of growth
• KLA Harris has said almost exactly the
• same thing in her economic speeches she
• wants to work with the private sector
• now don't get me wrong they're going to
• have very different policy prescriptions
• Liz Cheney no doubt doesn't want to move
• up the corporate tax rate kamla Harris
• does but they both agree on capitalism
• and they both agree that you have to
• have Fair rules of the road in trade and
• they both oppose for example Trump's
• Looney tariff provision so it wouldn't
• hurt for Republicans to point out
• sometimes that there are major areas of
• agreement and the big one for Liz Cheney
• is of course Ukraine kamla Harris has
• been stalwart in her support of Ukraine
• she said it she said that it is in
• America's interest she said she will


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• always stand with Ukraine she pointed
• out in Wisconsin that the position that
• we're going to give things to Russia is
• the same position that Russia has that's
• Trump and Putin are on the same side
• here and that it is in our interest to
• stand with our Democratic allies that
• portion of the speech could have been
• given by Liz Cheney and I'm sure it was
• at some point or another or words pretty
• similar to that so again Republican who
• are endorsing kamla Harris agree on
• Democracy but they also agree on some
• big major stuff like we shouldn't wreck
• the international economy with across
• theboard tariffs like we should stand on
• the side of Ukraine not on the side of
• Vladimir Putin so yes there are many
• policy differences at a moderate and at
• a micro level but we also shouldn't
• exaggerate the differences on basic


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• principles and that's important for the
• following reason it's going to be
• important to maintain a coalition of the
• governing and the governable in other
• words when we did things like the
• infrastructure Bill we got Republicans
• who were interested in good government
• to join hands with Democrats we're going
• to need to do that in the future and
• it's important to point out to people
• that the same people do agree on some
• really important policy issues so I'm
• not thrilled about this line that we
• don't agree on everything listen I get
• why they're saying it they don't want
• Republicans who are voting for KLA
• Harris to feel like they have to give up
• their positions on everything to feel
• like they have to declare themselves to
• be Progressive Democrats but they could
• say something like you probably don't
• agree with Kamala Harris on much but
• you'd be surprised and here are a few of
• the things you probably do agree with
• with her I don't think it would hurt to


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• say that and I think it's going to be
• important if God willing she wins to
• maintain that there are differences it's
• the Republicans in the Trump Camp who
• are Looney Tunes I don't think Liz
• Cheney favors rounding up 11 million
• people putting them in camps and
• deporting them I'm sure she does not she
• doesn't support using American troops to
• suppress descent so again it's really
• important to make sure that the
• country understands it's not that
• Democrats are off in left field and
• Republicans are doing us a favor simply
• because of democracy it's that they
• actually have more in common with her
• than they do with Donald Trump because
• Donald Trump is not a conservative he's
• a whacked out racist authoritarian
• reactionary so let's not over do the


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• dissimilarities between the Republicans
• and kamla Harris so what else is going
• on in our political news well keep an
• eye on the House Seats because yes the
• presidential race drives the House Seats
• in many cases but the house races are
• also reflecting something that's going
• on around the country and I think that's
• gradual tilt to KLA Harris you know the
• line up from Hemingway had did you go
• broke slowly at first and then all at
• once well elections can kind of be that
• way too slowly slowly and then kind of
• the ceiling cave in now I'm not
• predicting a landslide but I'll have you
• note that there were about five seats
• that cook political which gets down into
• the really nitty-gritty of individual
• house she seats shifted in the direction
• of Democrats some them went to tossup to


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• lean Democrat other went to Surefire
• Democrat to um Surefire Republican
• rather to toss up and they even moved
• the Ted Cruz race from likely Republican
• to lean Republican meaning it's winnable
• that's right Texas is winnable and as
• AOC said the other day if Democrats
• break through in Texas at any level at
• the Senate level at the presidential
• level American politics will change for
• a generation because the Republican
• party is nowhere without Texas so I
• would keep an eye on some of those house
• races I would keep an eye on those
• Senate races we have three now highly
• competitive surprise Senate races that's
• Florida Texas and Nebraska so keep an
• eye on all those something is going on
• it's not simply that this is a neck and
• neck race it is that I think there is


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• something in politics called momentum
• and it's going in the direction of KLA
• Harris and the
• Democrats the other interesting
• development of course it's not really
• new if you've been paying attention to
• the actual numbers but the economy is
• really really strong we just had an out
• of thee Park blow your socks off jobs
• report
• 24,000 new jobs it was supposed to be
• like
• 150,000 the unemployed rate is down to
• 4.1 this is an economy that is firing on
• all cylinders GDP is much higher than
• Republicans thought it was going to be
• and even many Democrats thought it was
• going to be we are headed for that
• proverbial soft Landing the FED is
• cutting interest rates inflation is
• coming down the job market is strong
• consumer sentiment is high and that's
• why Trump is doing what he always does


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• when good news happens and that is he
• lies he lies even more than he usually
• does he talks about eating cats and dogs
• he talks about the federal government
• giving FEMA Aid to illegal immigrants
• which is
• nonsense he comes up with wild lies and
• Vance does the same it's not because
• they necessarily think you're going to
• believe them it's because they want you
• to believe in nothing they want you to
• believe that well Vance says this Walt
• says that Harris says this Trump says
• that that's not true that is not the
• case there is no factual equivalence yes
• sometimes Harris and wals missp or they
• exaggerate they are politicians but they
• don't make up baldface lies out of thin
• air Vance went through that debate and
• said that Donald Trump tried to save the
• affordable car that's


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• preposterous Vance said I never wanted
• to ban abortion Nationwide yes he did
• these are ridiculous lies that stem from
• this desire that authoritarians have to
• convince you that there is no such thing
• as objective reality you can't believe
• anyone you can't believe the
• institutions you can't believe the job
• numbers you can't believe this you can't
• believe that the only one you can
• believe is Donald Trump and it gets to
• this ridicul ulous cult-like state where
• no amount of data no amount of
• information is ever going to convince
• these people of
• anything well some things are a matter
• of opinion and some things are a matter
• of fact Donald Trump has tried to get
• rid of the Affordable Care Act since he
• came down that escalator in
• 2015 so let's not confuse differences of
• policy or interpretation
• with just sheer ridiculous unblemished


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• lying and that's what he and Vance do
• and it's scary in a sense that they do
• it so easily so reflexively so often but
• remember there's a psychotic quality to
• Donald Trump and he bends other people
• to his will so that they lie along with
• him now there was one more development
• this week that was really delicious and
• that was the release of this very very
• big brief by Jack Smith the special
• counsel in the January 6 case now some
• commentators like Ellie honing who I
• think has lost his mind say oh this was
• a setup what look at the timing it's so
• political you know why they released it
• now because the United States Supreme
• Court screwed around with this case
• delayed and delayed then delayed another
• 30 days after they had issued the
• warning and it has only now gotten down


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• to the district court who has handed
• this ridiculous opinion that now
• requires a factual analysis of each and
• every action to determine whether in the
• Supreme Court's view Donald Trump is
• immune or not so if you want to blame
• someone for the timing and for the need
• to lay out all of this evidence go talk
• to the Supreme Court and the
• right-wingers on the Supreme Court those
• are the people who wound up setting up
• Donald Trump inadvertently of course but
• that's what we have and what do we have
• we had an enormous document almost 200
• pages of facts one after another and it
• all comes from Republicans it all comes
• from Republicans in his immediate circle
• and it makes clear several things one he
• absolutely knew he had not won the
• election well before the votes were in
• he was planning to claim fraud


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• he was told he didn't win the election
• he insisted on it when he was told
• certain votes favored Biden he said the
• facts don't matter just give me
• something to work with this is just
• complete premeditated willful
• misstatement lying fraud it's not like
• he was so nuts he actually thought he
• won well maybe now he's talked himself
• into it but at the time he knew he was
• making stuff up and the numbers moved
• all over the place oh we won by 50,000
• we won by 30,000 we won by
• 150,000 so the facts are damning as to
• his intent that he knew he was stealing
• the election by the way even if he
• thought he had won it didn't excuse the
• conduct he still acted in legal fashion
• but let's get over this notion that he
• actually thought he won the other thing
• that is so interesting it's just his
• willful indifference to the life of Mike
• Pence told he had to be moved to a


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• location that he had just been rescued
• from the capital where he was under
• attack because the mob had been incited
• by Donald Trump trump was told about his
• evacuation about Pence's evacuation and
• he said so
• what that is a typical pathological
• narcissist who doesn't care at all about
• other people he has no shame he has no
• empathy
• all he wants is what he wants and anyone
• in his way has to be destroyed or bent
• to his will so some of the little
• Tippets that we're getting while not
• complete Revelations are so telling and
• are so Donald trumpian that you really
• cannot dispute what has been said now it
• is also interesting that although the
• witnesses have been mild ly disguised


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• with P1 and p-53 and all kinds of other
• numbers we know that Mike Pence talked
• directly to the grand jury we know that
• Mark Meadows talked to the grand jury we
• know that the White House Council talked
• to the grand jury all those people who
• would not cooperate with the January 6
• committee they talked they talked under
• oath and those are the people who if
• Donald Trump does not win this election
• will be the ones testify fing at trial
• and that's why Donald Trump is
• particularly wigged out this week
• because not only does he see the
• elections slipping away but he is
• getting a good sense of what Jack Smith
• has on him and the very real possibility
• that he's going to spend a considerable
• amount of time in jail unless he flees
• the country has really begun to Dawn on
• him and as I've said many times I'm not
• being prous I wouldn't care in the least


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• if he fled the country went to Venezuela
• went to Russia and just went away he has
• been a cancer on the American poity he
• has been a grotesque example for
• Americans he has unleashed the worst in
• Americans whether it's lying whether
• it's xenophobia whether it's
• misogyny and we would be benefited
• if he not only lost decisively but he
• fled like the coward that he is and then
• we can begin the job of repairing the
• nation and we will have our work cut out
• for us so the election is going in the
• right direction don't let up if early
• voting has come to you make sure you
• vote early it makes a difference not
• only will you Bank your vote so that if
• something arises on election day you
• will not have missed a chance to vote


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• and the Democratic party has to Hound to
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• only a presidential election but a
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