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THE TRUMP SAGA TRUMP AND COGNITIVE DECLINE Times Radio: Trump ’terrified’ of leaving Mar a Lago as cognitive decline becomes apparent PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDMwEsZAXsk Peter Burgess COMMENTARY Peter Burgess
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Transcript 0:00 the assassination attempt or whatever it was at the at that rally um I think that really really shook him and I also think that he's in cognitive decline I think that that's pretty clear that you know he is he does not seem as sharp as well he's never seemed sharp but he seems even less sharp than he has seemed in the past so Ryan what's the current state of trump HQ we've seen a record 177% of Republicans swap over to the Harris Camp do you think that's a blow to the campaign I think that the campaign has their base and their base isn't really going anywhere so what all of these endorsements that you've seen coming from the Republicans um the San Republicans is what I'd like to call them um that is that is really to move that the election's going to be won in some really small numbers and those numbers are what we like to call Squishy Republicans those are people who you know typically vote Republican but they're not really identifying with the Maga movement and so what these Republicans who have gone out and endorsed um kamla Harris have done has 1:01 made it easier for those Republicans to do so but as far as the base uh Trump's base goes it's not going anywhere I mean it's a cult and just like any other cult it has a following that's very loyal to their leader and they're not they're not there the spell has not been broken the fever has not been broken but you ask about their headquarters I think it's probably pretty chaotic right now um it is you know we are we are less than a month out and it is blow blow after blow after below for that campaign we've seen Harris out and about everywhere she's been on the media round um she's been doing some of the hurricane relief efforts sort of in between campaigning um but we've not seen a lot of trump himself we've seen a bit more of Camp Vance on the campaign Trail um axio says that Trump is doing far fewer rallies this time around but why do you think that we're seeing less of him I think there are a couple of reasons said first of all I think that he's terrified I 2:00 think that the um the assassination attempt or whatever it was at the at that rally um I think that really really shook him and I also think that he's in cognitive decline I think that that's pretty clear that you know he is he does not seem as sharp as well he's never seemed sharp but he seems even less sharp than he has seemed in the past um I don't I think that Vance is who Maga really wants I mean that's a young face he TR is trying to make um you know project 2025 more palatable for Republicans he's trying to make the weirdness of the Republican Party seem a lot less so I think that they're putting JD Vance out there because JD Vance is an easier pill for Republicans to swallow than Donald Trump and um is better on his feet I mean he's a weird dude he keeps making campaign gaffs too um but not anything like Donald Trump is JD Vance is incredibly dangerous because he carries the Maga flag but does it does it with a silver Tong and it seems 3:01 like Trump really doesn't want to leave maralago that's kind of where he's spending majority of his time but it seems like it would be quite difficult to win win an election if you're not kind of campaigning on the road especially in this kind of crunch time this month I don't think that Trump is counting on winning the election I think Trump is counting on stealing the election on the other side just like what he tried to do in 2020 I think he knows that he does not have the support that KLA Harris has I mean hell everyone in the world knows knows he doesn't have that support we're looking at her rallies we're seeing the enthusiasm behind her so I mean I think that you know he is counting on Republican legislators in in you know existential States willing to say no we're not going to certify the election this year I think he's counting on shenanigans on the other side I think he's counting on voter intimidation tactics I mean I am telling everyone in America vote early vote in person um it's this is a year where the militias are going to come out and they're going to be trying to 4:00 intimidate voters especially in the states that are most important this year so I mean I think his his big plan is to try to win it on the other side I don't think he plans on winning it fairly he has he's a sociopath I mean he's a narcissist this man does not care about the rules never has so I mean I don't think I think that that's part of the reason he's doing what he's doing is I don't think that he has any attention to win this fairly and the New York Times They report that his speeches are becoming angrier he's rambling a lot more he's kind of becoming a bit incoherent um do you think maybe it's a case that actually it's not that he doesn't want to go on the campaign Trail but his team are kind of like you know we saw what happened after the debate and he just said this kind of nonsense about cats and dogs maybe it's just safer if we attach his face to stuff but we just don't let him speak I think that's absolutely right I mean that's what I was saying about JD Vance I mean they have JD Vance out there because JD Vance is not Donald Trump but is carrying the same message carrying the same you know water so I think that is true I think that Trump is very I've 5:00 said this I think I've said this on your show before I think that Trump America is fighting for our freedom and we are fighting for our way of life Trump is fighting for his freedom and his way of life and so are his siant I mean they are all going to go to jail on the other side of this election if Trump doesn't win and so I I mean I think that that is that's absolutely what's happening right now I think that the stress is getting to him I think the pressure of these of these court cases I mean what just dropped from Jack Smith is crazy and what happened with Woodward's book that's just come out and they're talking about how he's met with Putin seven times since he's been president of the United States that is not legal in this country so I mean it's I think that he is under a tremendous amount of pressure I don't think that his brain could handle just a just daily pressure and I think that I think he's in real trouble and I think his campaign sees it and I think that they are putting in all kinds of surrogates to try to make Maga more palatable to the American public he was 6:00 at um a rally earlier this week he was kind of bragging to his fans about the size of his crowds and then the wrong photograph was displayed and Trump got very angry with his own campaign staff and he called them stupid on stage I mean it you know we've heard kind of rumors and stuff around Fist fites and Trump HQ and you know the staff um being you know quite upset about things that he said but it's just another a further sign of discontent and kind of chaos I guess right absolutely I mean you know it's like watching the Republican Party do this right now is like watching a star die right so when a star dies it starts consuming its energy faster and faster and faster and it gets brighter and brighter and brighter until it just explodes and I think that that's where we are with the Republican party right now I think that we are in the stages of its death I think it's consuming more and more energy I think it's consuming its own I mean you know the Democrats have this huge umbrella party right now I mean if you look at it I don't think that anyone in the world especially and 7:01 definitely not this former Republican could ever imagine seeing Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney and Bernie Sanders endorsing the exact same candidate and then so you have this huge umbrella where it's like all are going to be welcome over here we're trying to move together together and you're gonna you see Trump trying to tear everybody apart and I think that that's that's kind of a good analogy of what will happen to this country on the other side of this election I mean if you pick KLA Harris we can move together together and if you don't if you pick Donald Trump we are going to implode and so I mean that's that's it's America or it's Trump this this year it's it's you know it's our values or it's his so it's it's a it's going to be a kind of interesting year to watch I mean it's it's I would I would I'm sure internationally it's entertaining from here it's pretty terrifying I mean you said that they be a death of the 8:00 Republican party what do you think that kind of looks like do you think that plays out in the next you know four years after this election or you know what does that kind of mean for that party itself could it open up a kind of three-party state or something I don't see a three-party state surviving in America um I think that you know back once upon a time there was the wig party here and it went away and the Republican party was formed and the Democratic party was formed and and and we continued on I think that what you're seeing here with the Republican party is they going the way of the wigs I mean something will come out of it um I think that you have conservatives like Liz Cheney and like Adam kinger um in that party who are are willing to see a better day for Republicans but the party as it currently stands has terminal cancer um it is eaten away at every single part of that part it is it does 9:00 not look like the party of Reagan it does not act like the party of Reagan there are there's very little conservatism left in that party so I think that what you'll see come out of this I mean you know how long does it take this to die I don't know I mean you know if there's there's the case to be made that if Trump doesn't win this year who's going to stop him from running again in four more years when he's even older so I mean I think you have to rid the party of the Maga movement and I don't think you can do that without killing the party so what comes out of this is hopefully people like Liz Cheney and and Adam kinger and that elk will come and and and form a new conservative party that is more I think fiscally conservative and socially moderate I mean I think that's where the country is going right now but I do believe that America is always best served with two healthy political parties and right now we only have one I wanted to ask about you know it was revealed this week um 10:00 that Trump sent Putin covid tests um and Trump's team categorically denied those reports but the Kremlin has confirm them and then also they had seven phone calls together um after Trump had left office this plus the reports that we saw um from Jack Smith I mean how much how much of a electoral impact do you think that all of that is going to have well I think it all depends on who's paying attention I mean Trump's voters are typically low information voters this information isn't penetrating to them they don't know about the seven meetings with with Putin they don't know about any of this stuff and so I mean those voters are not going to change I mean like I said earlier it's a cult a cult there is no changing the mindset of a cult they are steadfast that they are right and everyone else is wrong it is the small numbers that get moved and that is and and but even those I mean the ones who are still you know undecided at this point are low information I mean you cannot be someone 11:00 who consumes this stuff every day and go well which is better Trump or or KLA Harris I mean so it's it's hard to tell how this will impact I mean hopefully what this will do I mean Lincoln project is studying two different groups this year and we are we are targeting two different groups and one of those groups is what we're calling the do stads those are the ones who are really upset that row got overturned here those are the people who you know want more rights for their daughters than their grandmothers had um and then the other group and this is the group that is most likely to be moved by this the new information that came out we're calling Red Dawn and these are the people who were alive you know back when the Cold War was really going on and they remember how dangerous the Kremlin really can be and they and they are they're sympathizers with Ukraine and so those are the people they are not as low information they typically do consume a lot of international news they consume a lot of geopolitics and so it's those people 12:00 that are most likely going to be moved by what's coming out with jck Smith and and Bob Woodward I also wanted to ask um kind of going back to the point of trump becoming a little bit more incoherent and stuff he I think he was at a rally and he said that the crowds um at his debate with kamla Harris were going wild for him um but there was no crowd it was um and we actually kind of are seeing people leaving early from his rallies I mean why are people leaving early and also you know is this a sign of kind of his cognitive decline I do think it's a sign of his cognitive decline I do believe that some of that cognitive decline has to do with the stress that he's been under I mean as we spoke about earlier people are leaving his rallies early I mean that doesn't mean they're not going to vote for him I mean you know the thing about a lot of his his followers is it's not even it's not what he says it's not what he believes it's the fact that he tells them that it's 13:00 okay to be racist it's okay to hate other Americans it's okay to hate people of color it's okay to hate immigrants it's okay to dehumanize them and that is what these people really want what I mean a lot of trump supporters they fall into two camps they're either incredibly wealthy and they're trying to protect their assets or they are incredibly poor and they see Donald Trump and that's a hero to them and what they're seeing right now is this hero of theirs is is rambling and is incoherent and is saying the same things over and over again and I mean they're going to be entertained and now it's not entertainment as much as it is just sadness and going back to your previous point I think this is why you're seeing more JD Vance on the campaign Trail than Donald Trump

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