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THE TRUMP SAGA TRUMP IS UNFIT ... TPB! MSNBC: Lies and ‘BS’?! Trump could lose over fact-lash, as MSNBC breakdown shows PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkHZ7dMp6IE Peter Burgess COMMENTARY Peter Burgess
Lies and ‘BS’?! Trump could lose over fact-lash, as MSNBC breakdown shows MSNBC Oct 14, 2024 7.47M subscribers ... 475,231 views ... 8.9K likes #MSNBC #RoevWade #abortionrights Abortion remains a key issue as the election draws near, with voters closely watching candidates shift their stances. In this special report, MSNBC's Ari Melber examines the gap between politicians' words and actions, and how Trump and JD Vance are getting a boost from opinionated GOP billionaires. (Check out The Beat's playlist: https://msnbc.com/ari Connect with Ari Melber: / arimelber » Subscribe to MSNBC: / msnbc Download our new MSNBC app for the latest breaking news and daily headlines at a glance: https://www.msnbc.com/information/dow... Follow MSNBC Show Blogs MaddowBlog: https://www.msnbc.com/maddowblog ReidOut Blog: https://www.msnbc.com/reidoutblog MSNBC delivers breaking news, in-depth analysis of politics headlines, as well as commentary and informed perspectives. Find video clips and segments from The Rachel Maddow Show, Morning Joe, The Beat with Ari Melber, Deadline: White House, The ReidOut, All In, Last Word, 11th Hour, and Alex Wagner who brings her breadth of reporting experience to MSNBC primetime. Watch “Alex Wagner Tonight” Tuesday through Friday at 9pm Eastern. Connect with MSNBC Online Visit msnbc.com: https://www.msnbc.com/ Subscribe to the MSNBC Daily Newsletter: https://link.msnbc.com/join/5ck/msnbc... Find MSNBC on Facebook: / msnbc Follow MSNBC on Twitter: / msnbc Follow MSNBC on Instagram: / msnbc #MSNBC #RoevWade #abortionrights Transcript 0:05 THIS RACE. IT WAS TRUMP'S JUDGES WHO PAVE THE WAY FOR THE ABORTION BANS OR RESTRICTIONS IN OVER 20 STATES. FUNCTIONALLY TRUMPS FANS BECAUSE HIS ACTIONS ENABLE THEM. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING YOU MAY KNOW LESS ABOUT IF EVERYTHING ELSE IS FAMILIAR. TRUMP TOTES ENDING ROE VERSUS WADE AS HIS ACCOMPLISHMENT. EVEN THOUGH FOR MOST OF HIS ADULT LIFE HE PROCLAIMED HIMSELF VERY PRO-CHOICE. IN FACT I WILL SHOW YOU WHEN HE WAS IN HIS 50s COMPARED TO NOW. >> I AM VERY PRO-CHOICE. I AM PRO-CHOICE IN EVERY RESPECT. >> I WAS ABLE TO TERMINATE ROE VERSUS WADE. >> THAT IS A MAJOR CHANGE. A QUESTION OF BELIEFS. I WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THIS. ON THE SAME ISSUE OVER TIME PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS ALSO CHANGED. >> I DID NOT VIEW ABORTION AS A CHOICE AND A RIGHT. >> I SUPPORT ROE VERSUS WADE. I SUPPORT A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO 1:00 CHOOSE UNDER THE GUARANTEED PROVISION. >> I THINK IT IS A TOTALLY WRONG DECISION TO OVERTURN ROE VERSUS WADE. >> BIDENS POSITION CHANGED, AND AS PRESIDENT HE TOOK ACTIONS TO CHANGE WOMEN'S RIGHTS. SO WHAT REALLY MATTERS HERE? A PRESIDENT'S PERSONAL BELIEFS IF THEY HAVE THEM OR IS IT WHAT THEY DO AND WHO THEY APPOINT OR IS IT SOME COMBINATION OF THESE ? THIS MATTERS FOR THE CHOICE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MAKING IN THESE 20 DAYS PLUS. BIDEN IS A LIFELONG PRACTICING CATHOLIC. THAT ONCE SHAPED HIS POLICY STANCES MORE BACK IN THE 70s. A DIFFERENT TIME FOR WOMEN'S RIGHTS. BACK THEN HE SAID HE DID NOT LIKE ROE VERSUS WADE. IT WENT TOO FAR. I DO NOTHING THE WOMAN HAS THE SOLE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO HER BODY, HE SAID IN 1974. BIDEN SAYS HE STILL HAS A 2:01 RELIGIOUS VIEW PERSONALLY ON THE TOPIC, BUT AS PRESIDENT OF THE WHOLE COUNTRY HE THINKS THE SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UPHELD. JUST LAST YEAR HE PUT IT PLAINLY. HE DID NOT WALK AWAY FROM THE COMPLEXITY, BUT SAID I AM A PRACTICING CATHOLIC. I AM NOT BIG ON ABORTION, BUT GUESS WHAT? ROE VERSUS WADE GOT A RIGHT. SO HE SAYS, AND MANY ALLIES SAY IT IS TRUE AND PROVABLE OVER THE DECADES. THAT HE HAS THIS NUANCED DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIS OWN RELIGIOUS UPBRINGING AND HIS OBLIGATIONS AS A LEADER. AND IN A COUNTRY WITH MANY RELIGIONS AND VIEWS THERE IS NOT A WAY TO HAVE ONE RELIGION RURAL PUBLIC POLICY FOR ALL. IT ALSO COUNTS OTHERWISE. BIDEN IS NOT THE FIRST IN THIS CATEGORY. OTHER CANDIDATES HAVE EMPHASIZED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL THAT THEIR RELIGION WOULD NOT DICTATE EVERY DECISION AND OFFICE. IT IS WORTH NOTING A 3:04 CONTRAST. SINCE WE SPEND TIME ON THIS AND STUDY BOTH VOTERS AND THESE INSIDERS AND POWERBROKERS IT IS WHAT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT BEFORE ALL THE VOTES ARE CAST. PEOPLE CAN SEEK THIS BELIEF ALIGNMENT. THAT THE POWERBROKERS AND INSIDERS WHO OFTEN RUN THINGS DO NOT DO THAT. THEY USE A VERY DIFFERENT LENS. THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT. MANY OF THEM DO NOT CARE WHAT THE POLITICIANS PERSONALLY BELIEVE OR WHETHER THEY GO TO CHURCH OR WHAT THEY PERSONALLY DECIDE IS IT RIGHT OR WRONG IN SOME ETHICAL SENSE. SOME DO NOT EVEN CARE WHAT THE POLITICIANS SAY. A LOT OF THE MOST POWERFUL PEOPLE MAKING POLITICAL MOVES THAT AFFECT YOUR LIFE ONLY LOOK AT WHAT THE POLITICIANS DO AN OFFICE AND WHETHER THEY CAN PREDICT OR SHAPE IT, SO TAKE THE SAME ISSUE OF ABORTION. ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE OPERATIONS IN THE U.S. IS THE MULTI-DECADE RIGHT-WING ANTIABORTION OR PRO-LIFE 4:00 MOVEMENT WHICH SET OUT TO CHANGE THE COURSE SO THAT THEY COULD CHANGE THE LAW. AS WE ALL KNOW, AND AS A BACKLASH JUDGE DEPENDING ON WHAT HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER. THAT EFFORT TO CHANGE THE LAW WAS ACHIEVED. THEY DID IT. THEY DID NOT CARE MUCH ABOUT TRUMP'S PAST BELIEFS. >> I AM VERY PRO-CHOICE. I AM PRO-CHOICE IN EVERY RESPECT. >> THEY KNEW ABOUT THAT BUT FOCUSED ON NOT THAT, WHICH MIGHT STILL BE TRUE, BUT WHETHER THEY COULD GET HIM TO APPOINT PRO-LIFE JUDGES. WHEN IT COMES TO BELIEFS THESE GROUPS DIDN'T USE THE MONEY AND POWER TO GET SOME BIG STUDY GOING OF WHAT TRUMP OR ANYONE PERSONALLY BELIEVED. THEY USE THEIR POWER TO GET THEIR VALUES IMPOSED ON YOU. ON THE PUBLIC. NOT TO SEARCH THE CANDIDATES HEARTS. THE LEADER OF THAT ABORTION EFFORT IS A CONSERVATIVE POWERBROKER AND LEADS A BIG GROUP THAT DOES THIS WORK. HE 5:04 HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN EVERY REPUBLICAN SUPREME COURT PICK IN THIS MODERN ERA AND IS DEPLOYED ACHINGLY INCREDIBLY WELL FROM OTHER LIKE-MINDED DONORS TOPPING HALF 1 BILLION. THE MAN BEHIND THE RIGHTS SUPREME COURT SUPER MAJORITY. OFTEN MOVES BEHIND THE SCENES. I DID ASK HIM ABOUT THIS IN AN INTERVIEW A FEW YEARS AGO AT CORNELL LAW SCHOOL AND LEARNED ABOUT A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE WITH TRUMP WHICH IS ECHOING OUT TODAY WITH ABORTION BEING VOTERS TOP CONCERNS. ALTHOUGH BACK IN 2016 HE TALKED TO CANDIDATE TRUMP AND IN AN EXAMPLE OF HOW POWER WORKS TRUMP THEN RELEASED A LIST OF JUDGES HE WOULD PICK FROM THAT LIST TO DECIDE WHO WOULD GO ON THE SUPREME COURT. IN OTHER WORDS, THE POWERBROKERS DID NOT WANT TO KNOW HIS HEART OR PAST VIEWS. THEY WANTED A SPECIFIC LIST THEY COULD HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE TO IF HE WOULD PROVIDE IT. 6:00 SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS IN PRIVATE AND THEY TALK IT OUT. IN THIS CASE HE WANTED TO DO IT IN PUBLIC. >> IT WAS DONALD TRUMP THE CANDIDATE, HIS GENERAL COUNSEL, AND MYSELF. AT SOME POINT HE BROUGHT THIS IDEA ABOUT THE LIST. I WANT TO PUT OUT A LIST OF ALL THE PEOPLE FROM THAT IS HOW J.D. VANCE GOT THE ENDORSEMENT, WHICH IS ALL YOU NEED TO WIN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY FOR THE OHIO SENATE IN 2022.>> ANYONE COULD SEE HE IS NOT CONSISTENT. IF YOU SEARCH IS BELIEFS AT BEST YOU WOULD FIND A CHANGE IN CONTRADICTION OR MAYBE TECHNICALLY WOULD FIND NOTHING, BUT BEFORE MOST PEOPLE HEARD ABOUT HIM HE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT THAT WHIPLASH TOUR FROM NEVER TRUMP TO ALWAYS TRUMP. 7:01 >> I AM A NEVER TRUMP GUY. I NEVER LIKED HIM. >> THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO FOR THOSE PEOPLE FOR THAT AMERICAN NATION WE ALL LOVE IS TO REELECTRAM. NOW SHE IS RUNNING ON A MUCH MORE MODERATE OBAMA CARE TYPE APPROACH. AT ONE LEVEL YOU CAN SAY POLITICIANS TO SHIFT THEIR POSITIONS. THAT HAPPENS. AND THEN BOATERS MAY CARE DEPENDING ON THE REASON. AT ANOTHER LEVEL NOT ONLY CHANGES ARE THE SAME, BUT CHANGING BASED ON SOCIETIES OF ALL THE PROGRESS LIKE CANDIDATES IN BOTH PARTIES HAVE DONE AROUNDS TO THROW AROUND LI PETER THIEL. REMEMBER THAT MANY OF THOSE MILLIONS GO TO ADS AND OTHER TACTICS TO PERSUADE AND IMPACT VOTERS. 8:01 SO YOU CAN DECIDE WHETHER YOU WANT TO FOCUS HEAVILY ON SOMEBODY'S PAST PERSONAL BELIEFS OR ALSO FACTOR IN THAT LENS THAT THE INSIDERS ARE USING AS A WAY TO HOLD THE POLITICIANS ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT THEY WILL DO. NOT BEFORE BUT TALK ABOUT BELIEFS IF THEY ARE NOT RELEVANT TO WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE WITH THEIR POWER. I COULD STOP RIGHT THERE, BUT THERE IS A FINAL LAYER THAT IS ALSO SPECIFIC TO OUR CURRENT MAGA AREA AND BAD NEWS FOR THIS TRUMP AND J.D. VANCE EXPERIMENT. DONALD TRUMP HAS USHERED IN A CYNICAL STYLE THAT HAS NOW BECOME THE DOMINANT RHETORIC AND MODE OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. NOVEMBER WILL BE A TEST WEATHER THAT CONTINUES OR IS FINALLY BRUSHED BACK. BUT HIS TEAM ADMITS THEY OPPOSE FAX. TRUTH AND EFFORTS TO FIND TRUTH. HOW ELSE CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE INCRIMINATING COMPLAINT BY TRUMP AND J.D. VANCE WENT ANY FACTUAL SOURCE 9:00 IS FACT CHECKED? WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT OF HAVING FACTUAL INSTITUTIONS LIKE SCIENCE OR JOURNALISM. THIS GOES BEYOND THE USUAL DEBATES THAT CANDIDATES CAN EXAGGERATE OR CHANGE THEIR VIEWS WHICH PREDATES THIS ERROR OF COURSE. IT ACTUALLY GOES TO A POINT FROM THE BOOK ON BS IS HOW I CAN SAY IT ON AIR BY THE PHILOSOPHER HARRY FRANKFURT WHERE HE DISCUSSES HOW BS ARTISTS ARE WORSE FOR SOCIETY AND THE LIARS. HE ARGUES. BECAUSE LIARS STILL OPERATE AS IF THE TRUTH EXISTS AND IT MATTERS AND THEN OPERATES AGAINST IT FOR SOME GOAL. THE BS ARTIST DOESN'T EVEN CARE AND WOULD DESTROY IT ALL FOR WHATEVER THE REASONS ARE FOR THEM. PHILOSOPHER WRITES SOMEONE WHO LIES AND SOMEONE WHO TELLS THE TRUTH OUR PLANT IN OPPOSITE 10:01 SIDES IN THE SAME GAME. ONE GUIDED BY THE AUTHORITY OF THE TRUTH. A LIAR. DEFIES THAT AUTHORITY. THEY IGNORED THESE DEMANDS ALTOGETHER. DOES NOT REJECT THE AUTHORITY OF THE TRUTH AS A LIAR DOES. HE PAYS NO ATTENTION TO IT AT ALL. ARGUING BY VIRTUE OF THIS THE CHANCE OF AN ARTIST IS A GREATER ENEMY OF THE TRUTH AND THEN LIES. KIND OF DEEP, BUT IF YOU KNOW ANYONE WHO BS'S A LOT YOU CAN PROBABLY IDENTIFY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND A SPECIFIC FALSEHOOD OR LIFE. IF IT SOUNDS POLITICALLY FAMILIAR IT IS ONE REASON THAT TRUMP'S ENDLESS PARADE OF MISINFORMATION NOW PARROTED BY J.D. VANCE IS SO GRADING AND CONCERNING, AND PERHAPS YOU FEEL THAT WHEN YOU SEE. IS 11:01 THIS HOW WE LIVE NOW? J.D. VANCE WON'T ADMIT TRUMP LOST THE LAST ELECTION. IT HAS COME UP IN MANY VENUES. HE DOES NOT ACTUALLY LIE TO CLAIM TRUMP WON. JUST OVER AND OVER. THE TRUTH CAN BE COMPLICATED. A REPORT TONIGHT. EXAMPLES INCLUDE POLICY SHIFTS IN BOTH PARTIES OVER TIME FOR DIFFERENT REASONS. WE TOUCHED ON DIFFERENT IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO WIELD POWER. YOU CAN DECIDE WHICH MIGHT BE RELEVANT TO YOU OR WHAT YOU THINK. BUT COMMITTING TO LIVE IN A SOCIETY GOVERNED BY TRUTH IS NOT COMPLICATED. IT IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING VERY OLD-SCHOOL. IT IS THE BEDROCK OF REASON. SCIENCE. A SHARED REALITY. AND ANY ATTEMPT AT A DEMOCRACY GOVERNED BY THAT REALITY RATHER THAN POLITICAL SELF INTERESTED PROPAGANDA. SADLY BUT IMPORTANTLY THE CHOICE BETWEEN THAT KIND OF BS PROPAGANDA

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