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RUSSIA PUTIN FACADE ... A CHARADE! Times Radio: Putin's facade crumbles as allies refuse to back war campaign PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDiZZji_FVY Peter Burgess COMMENTARY Peter Burgess
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Transcript 0:00 but if you put Russia and Iran and North Korea together you've got effectively three Pariah States um and India is playing a very clever game India is certainly not helping the Russian war effort and India doesn't want to queer its pitch with the with the rest of the world um any more than China does of course China um in the relationship with Russia China is definitely the senior partner although Mr Putin hates to hear that and China certainly doesn't want to be seen to be helping Russia to the extent where it might lose its Western Market market so individually the the the countries they may go along to this Summit and give Mr Putin a little bit of credence in one sense but the amount of help they're actually giving to the war effort is is really limited to Iran and and North Korea is not there anyway President Putin has welcomed the leaders of China India and turkey to an international Summit intended to signal that Western attempts to isolate Russia have failed it's a gathering of the so-called bricks Nations which initially 1:00 brought together Brazil Russia India and China but now involves South Africa and other countries and it's the biggest Gathering of world leaders in Russia since it invaded Ukraine more than two years ago President Putin denied the Gathering was a gesture of defiance to the West bricks was never built against anyone Indian Prime Minister narenda 1:21 Modi said a very good phrase he said 1:25 recently that bricks is not anti-western 1:27 it's just 1:28 non-western well that was a translation 1:31 obviously President Putin speaking 1:33 earlier Steven DL is a former senior 1:36 Russian Affairs Analyst at the BBC World 1:38 Service hello Stephen good evening Carol 1:41 good to see you again well good to speak 1:43 to you and um we've got these pictures 1:46 that we've all been able to see of 1:48 President Putin shaking hands with 1:50 President X and so on how significant do 1:52 you think this Gathering 1:54 is well let me quote the man who came up 1:58 with the acronym originally um Jim 2:00 O'Neal the former chairman of Goldman 2:02 Sachs now Lord O'Neal he was the one who 2:04 came up with this acronym BR I brick um 2:08 around about the turn of the century uh 2:10 it's got an S added because South Africa 2:12 was joined but that stood for Brazil 2:13 Russia India China South Africa and Jim 2:17 O'Neal in the last two days has said 2:20 bricks don't matter he said he said it 2:23 it really doesn't so um you know Mr 2:26 Putin is trying to create this idea that 2:29 he's know he's very important and uh 2:32 he's Russia still has a lot of friends 2:33 around around the world um but if you 2:36 think that there are officially 10 2:39 members now of bricks it's interesting 2:41 that the Russians took the acronym 2:43 bricks the first four brick it would 2:45 have worked in Russian but um South 2:47 Africa doesn't begin with an s in 2:48 Russian it begins with a u but anyway um 2:51 so you had the five uh they've now been 2:53 added to with Iran the United Arab Arab 2:56 Emirates Ethiopia Egypt and Saudi Arabia 3:00 um now it's a it's a pretty mixed bag as 3:02 you mentioned in your introduction 3:04 Turkey um president erdogan is there as 3:06 well um but that's I think because he 3:09 likes to cause trouble or just be seen 3:12 to be alongside other dictators such as 3:15 Putin um but he's not actually a member 3:18 of of bricks um so it's it's just it's a 3:22 peculiar organization um it's its 3:26 members account for 45% of the world 3:28 population although 3:30 between them they account for 28% of the 3:32 world economy and the idea is it's meant 3:34 to be an alternative to challenge the G7 3:38 um of course the seven most advanced 3:40 industrialized nations in the world um 3:43 but if we go back to Jim O'Neal you know 3:45 I I think he thinks it's not really much 3:47 of a challenger but what is significant 3:50 isn't it is that um Russia has these 3:54 pretty big allies who are still prepared 3:57 to deal with him to talk to him and of 3:59 course they're helping his war effort I 4:01 mean we know that um Iranian drones have 4:03 been used against Ukraine um of course 4:06 we've recently seen the evidence of the 4:08 involvement of North Korea but China is 4:11 also um thought to be providing military 4:14 equipment and it is President Putin 4:16 isn't it saying well look um okay if um 4:20 the United States and and Europe are 4:22 going to broadly isolate me that's not 4:24 going to work because I've I've got 4:26 these other huge powerful Nations that 4:28 are still prep prepared to do deals well 4:32 the ones who are prepared to do deals 4:33 over the war as you really mentioned I 4:35 mean North Korea has been sending 4:37 weaponry and we now believe could be 4:40 about to send up to 10,000 troops to the 4:43 front line in Ukraine um Iran of course 4:47 almost from the beginning of the war has 4:49 been sending drones in particular um the 4:53 Chinese whether they're sending Weaponry 4:55 it's not ex we don't know for sure that 4:58 the the chines is largely sitting on the 5:00 fence as far as the war in Ukraine goes 5:03 um but if you put Russia and Iran and 5:07 North Korea together you've got 5:08 effectively three Pariah States um and 5:12 India is playing a very clever game 5:14 India is certainly not helping the 5:15 Russian war effort and India doesn't 5:17 want to queer its pitch with the with 5:18 the rest of the world um any more than 5:21 China does of course China um in the 5:23 relationship with Russia China is 5:25 definitely the senior partner although 5:27 Mr Putin hates to hear that and China 5:29 certainly doesn't want to be seen to be 5:31 helping Russia to the extent where it 5:32 might lose its Western markets so 5:35 individually the the the countries they 5:37 may go along to this Summit and give Mr 5:40 Putin a little bit of credence in one 5:42 sense but the amount of help they're 5:44 actually giving to the war effort is is 5:46 really limited to Iran and and North 5:48 Korea is not there anyway but it does 5:51 does it not um allow President Putin to 5:55 build better trading links because um 5:59 we've got uh the US and the EU imposing 6:02 all these sanctions it certainly does 6:04 seem when you look at the Russian 6:06 economy is that they're finding other 6:08 ways to get hold of most of the um 6:10 essential Goods that they need in the 6:12 country even if they're not directly 6:14 providing military supplies for the war 6:16 in Ukraine um they do seem to be helping 6:21 uh helping the Russians to get round 6:23 those 6:24 sanctions to a certain extent Carol 6:27 you're right but again if we look down 6:28 the list of the 10 countries um the 6:30 amount of trade uh in global terms is is 6:34 still pretty small um India is 6:36 significant here because India has been 6:37 buying a lot more Russian oil and gas um 6:40 so they are getting significant sums of 6:42 money from India um but the idea one of 6:46 the ideas that Putin really pushes 6:49 Behind the Bricks countries is that they 6:52 together would work out a way where they 6:55 could deal not in dollars that's that's 6:58 you know much of the world economy is 7:00 still based on on the US dollar um and 7:02 the bricks countries are not going to 7:05 change that uh so so there you know 7:08 that's a bit of a fig leaf and if you 7:10 look behind it you know you find that 7:11 actually um that's something that's not 7:13 going to work and the rest of the world 7:15 is still going to be dealing in mainly 7:16 in dollars um Jeff's got in touch and he 7:18 says several of our long-standing allies 7:20 are at this meeting um I'm assuming that 7:23 he's um talking about countries like uh 7:26 India um who is a long-standing Alli 7:29 turkey with whom we do at least um we 7:32 work alongside them in NATO and so on he 7:35 says if you don't think that's a cause 7:37 for concern Stephen uh not quite sure 7:40 what sort of diplomacy you're studying I 7:42 mean this will be a matter of concern 7:44 won't it um to countries that are trying 7:46 to um economically as well as 7:49 diplomatically isolate Russia if you've 7:52 got big important economies and 7:55 countries like India like turkey um as 7:58 well as of course China with it's huge 8:00 spending power um that are there and 8:02 doing deals with Putin Brazil at one 8:05 stage we seem to be wanting to um extend 8:07 our trade ties with 8:09 Brazil yeah I can see his point but I 8:12 would still say that um to to me far 8:16 more important is is is the wider 8:18 economy the the the dollar-based economy 8:21 um and it's the fact that India and 8:23 China don't want to upset the West too 8:26 much um and turkey yes turkey is there 8:28 how much 8:30 turkey will actually be doing as a 8:31 result of this um I'm I'm very skeptical 8:34 I must admit so you know Saudi Arabia is 8:37 there as well um but Saudi Arabia is not 8:39 going to stop selling oil to the West um 8:41 you know we're its better customer um 8:43 symbolism is always very important isn't 8:45 it um to President Putin and he'll love 8:48 to be there rubbing shoulders with other 8:51 world leaders won't he and um waste no 8:53 opportunity to put those pictures out 8:55 you're absolutely right and in that 8:58 sense I think the it's it's the domestic 9:00 audience that uh are the real Target 9:02 here you know he can go on Russian TV as 9:04 no doubt he has been today and will be 9:06 the next few days and you know showing 9:08 his people look look how important I am 9:11 um I it's very interesting um to take 9:13 one Western example um of a newspaper I 9:15 greatly respect from abroad I won't say 9:17 anything from this country from The 9:19 Washington Post for example they've been 9:21 saying absolutely nothing about this 9:23 meeting um and the Washington Post are 9:25 normally yes they're okay there's a lot 9:27 of coverage of the coming forthcoming us 9:29 election but if the Washington Post 9:31 don't think it's that important to uh to 9:33 to say much about this at this stage um 9:36 I think that's an indication that the 9:38 West is is not it's really not too 9:40 worried the other thing is of course um 9:42 you know rather like the Shanghai 9:44 cooperation organ organization meeting 9:47 last week that took place in Pakistan 9:49 that's another organization that the 9:51 Russians and others are trying to show 9:53 as an alternative to the West um but 9:56 you've got these countries in it like 9:58 Russia uh and and China which which are 10:00 dictatorships who are not used to doing 10:03 things democratically discussing things 10:05 with the other people at the meeting and 10:07 and coming to a a conclusion as a result 10:10 of that you know these are countries 10:11 that are used to telling people what 10:13 they want and expecting to get it so you 10:15 you you know these are not really 10:17 Democratic organizations either the SE 10:20 or bricks and I think that that is a 10:22 major failing when it comes to any 10:25 chance to really to change things and to 10:27 stand up as a genuine alternative to 10:29 West Wern organizations um just let me 10:31 ask you about one other story that's um 10:33 just broken in the last few minutes um 10:35 the Prime Minister um sakama saying 10:38 Russia risks Global Food Security in 10:41 Ukraine um Kama who's um heading off to 10:43 that big uh Common Wealth Summit uh 10:47 saying that Russia has stepped up 10:48 attacks on Ukrainian ports in the Black 10:50 Sea delaying the export of agricultural 10:53 produce including Aid intended for 10:56 Palestinians although of course getting 10:58 them uh through to them is a is another 11:00 whole Factor um but we're hearing that during several days of strikes in the last week or so Russian weapons have hit at least four cargo ships including one carrying 6,000 tons of corn do you see this as a a new tactic at least in the war Stephen I I it sounds like a renewed tactic because of course it's something they were doing fairly early on um Ukraine has been incredibly successful in um beting effectively beating the the Russian Black Sea Fleet the Russian Navy um they they've pushed them back to ports in in Russia because the sea drones and and other attacks from Ukraine have sunk a number of their vessels um but that is particularly worrying if we remember back in the early days of the war indeed the first few months um there was a lot of negotiation to allow Ukrainian grain to be exported um and with the Lesser influence of the Russian Navy in the Black Sea um that's been far more successful in recent months if the Russian if the Russians are now stepping 12:01 up a tax on what is civilian shipping um then that is very worrying it's as if they've gone back to that attempt to create a world food crisis by U because a lot of countries um and in the global South are dependent on Ukrainian grain um that that is a way of of taking the the the fight to another level and that is that that we must watch what happens but if that is Contin over the next days and weeks that is that is very worrying Steven Dell um former senior Russian Affairs Analyst at the BBC World Service really good to speak to you thank you so much thank you k

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