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Transcript 0:00 this is the story of the modern Republican party in 30 seconds when asked why he would never do business with Donald Trump North Dakota's former Republican Governor Doug bergam said last year when he was a short-lived Republican presidential candidate quote it's important that you're judged by The Company You Keep end quote but by this year berham was attending Donald Trump's criminal hush money trial where a jury ultimately convicted him of 34 counts and wearing the Donald Trump uniform as you can see today Trump announced that he's picked bergham to lead the department of the Interior the company Doug bergam now keeps also includes the fox weekend host Pete heith former Republican then Democrat then Republican telsey gabard anti vaxer Robert Kennedy Jr and Matt Gates you can add your own adjectives to him along with Elise stefanic and Marco Rubio who used to call Donald Trump a con man Donald Trump has announced nominees for 11 of the 24 cabinet positions that require Senate confirmation the Senate's constitutional duty to advise and consent on executive branch appointees has never been more 1:06 critical than it is now they not only need to actually do the thing the Constitution says they have a right and a responsibility to do but in some of these cases they're going to need critical information in order to do it but at least in one case they may not get that information because today the house Speaker Mike Johnson said that he doesn't believe that the house ethics report into Matt Gates's alleged sexual misconduct and drug use use should be released I believe it is very important to maintain The house's tradition of not issuing ethics reports on people who are no longer members of Congress I think we would open a Pandora's Box Democrat Congressman Glenn Ivy who serves on the house Ethics Committee said this well there you certainly have precedent for prior releases uh about reports from the Ethics Committee for members who have uh resigned left the 2:00 Congress uh Cong former Congressman Lucin for example uh and I believe there was a congressman I want to say it was boner from the uh mid 80s uh where that happened as well so there's precedent for that uh can't really get into what's going on now but uh the fact that someone has left the Congress does not mean that U the report can't be released for additional information for that matter as you know by now Gates resigned from Congress to stop what was reported to be a quote highly damaging Ethics Committee report on Gates the vote on releasing the report was supposed to be today it didn't happen but the issue isn't dead with Senators including Republican Judiciary Committee Member John Corin of Texas who says they want to see the gates report NBC News is reporting tonight that Gates is facing growing opposition from fellow Republicans quote more than half of Senate Republicans including some in senior leadership positions are privately saying they don't see a path for gates to be confirmed as Attorney General and would not support him to lead the Department of Justice according to multiple people who spoke to NBC news 3:05 on condition of anonymity of course we'll see how many of those Senate Republicans will actually oppose Gates publicly when the time comes today the history the Yale history Professor Tim Snider warned that Donald Trump's transition picks quote constitute an attempt to wreck the American government Professor Snider goes on health is not only the central human good it enables the peaceful interactions we associate with the rule of law and democracy Robert F Kennedy Jr the proposed Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services would undo all of this on his watch were his ideas implemented millions of us would die the rule of law depends on people who believe in the spirit of the law Matt Gates the proposed attorney general is the opposite of such a person he embodies lawlessness and be can be counted upon to uh to abuse law to pursue Trump's political opponents Trump has indicated that he would prefer Hitler's generals which means a personal 4:04 oath to himself Pete heith Trump's proposed Secretary of Defense defends war criminals and displays tattoos associated with white nationalism and Christian nationalism he's a fundraiser and a television personality with a complicated sexual past and zero experience running an organization telsey gabard in so far as she is known at all is known as a spreader of Syrian and Russian disinformation she has no relevant experience were she to become the Director of National Intelligence As Trump proposes we would lose the trust of our allies and lose contact with much of what is happening in the world just for starters we would be vulnerable to all of those who wish to cause us harm end quote Donald Trump nominated Matt Gates on Wednesday the same day that a presidential tradition was revived a tradition that Donald Trump ended when 5:00 he refused to concede after losing the 2020 election President Biden welcomed Donald Trump back to the White House in the Oval Office and promised a smooth transition much of the news flurry over Donald Trump's Personnel choices this week will be lost but this image will be recorded in history and I know that a lot of people watching right now feel conflicted about that image for those of us who consider ourselves foot soldiers for democracy we F face a catch 22 we respect the will of the voters the peaceful transfer of power and Democratic institutions but what should we think as we watch the keys being handed over to a person who doesn't joining us now is Timothy Snider professor of history at Yale University author of New York Times bestsellers on freedom and on T tyranny Professor Snider thank you for being with us one of the important reasons to talk to you you you've warned us for a long time about what may come is now that that is 6:00 upon us your warnings have not weakened you haven't watered them down you are 6:05 truly alarmed at at what you've been seeing in the last week and a half yes it's nothing is unclear here 6:15 these appointments are not just poor choices in a traditional sense these 6:20 appointments each of them individually is historically bad but taken together 6:26 these are not people who are going to be bad at their jobs in some sort of normal sense taking together these appointments 6:33 suggest an attempt to actually make the American government disfunctional to 6:38 make it fall apart to to to to pervert it to have it do things that it's not supposed to do until it's not capable of 6:45 doing anything at all so of course one has to be attending to this you um you 6:51 we can get into a conversation with the 11 nominees about who's who really is unqualified for their position you know 6:57 people are talking about the fact that some of these people are loyalist that loyalists are often appointed to things 7:02 but usually they have some some you know some kind of qualification I want to play something that the former 7:09 democratic congresswoman telsey gabard of Hawaii said she's the current nominee for the Department of the Director of 7:15 National Intelligence this was from February of 2022 let's just listen to this for a moment presidents Putin zalinsky and 7:23 Biden it's time to put geopolitics aside and embrace the spirit of Aloha respect 7:29 and love for the Ukrainian people by coming to an agreement that Ukraine will be a neutral country no military 7:35 alliance with NATO or Russia and therefore alleviate the legitimate security concerns of both us and NATO 7:42 countries as well as Russia because there'd be no Russian or NATO troops on each other's non- Baltic borders this 7:49 would allow the Ukrainian people to live in peace Aloha okay I mean I know folks from 7:55 Hawaii say ala in a lot of instances that's not actually one of them that would be relevant that was 33 seconds of 8:01 telsey gabard telling you most of what you need to know about Russia where she stands on this matter with an adversary 8:07 that is invaded an ally yeah going back to your first question it's not just that these people 8:13 are not qualified enough it's not just that they're totally unqualified it's that they're anti- qualified that 8:20 they're qualified to do the opposite of the thing that they're supposed to do pelsey gabber is talking in a moment 8:26 when Russian forces are approaching the Ukrainian capital when Russian assassination squads are attempting to 8:32 kill the Ukrainian head of state and she's advising people that all we have to do is summon up a magic word and in 8:39 effect surrender all of Ukraine to Russia it's an extraordinary thing to be doing and it's not naive it sounds naive 8:47 but it's not it's it's what it's doing is trying to prepare the way for more Ukrainian suffering it's what it is is 8:53 saying he who invades is right and and and that's the point I want to get to it's not naive and you pointed out in a 9:00 in a post today that in fact the conversations between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin we now know have been 9:06 going on Elon Musk has been involved in those conver conversations and putting aside the fact that Elon Musk is a man 9:11 who in three different businesses makes money from the US government and other governments now is going to have a seat at the table kind of oligarchy if if if 9:19 you've ever heard of such a thing um this is this is part of a plan something that they've been working toward this 9:25 idea telsey gabard as you said as in as far as she's as she's known she's known 9:30 as being a sort of a fan of of Vladimir Putin and someone who carries his water you tick down the list of all of 9:37 these of all of these posts and it's the same story gates at Justice is is someone who could only pervert the rule 9:43 of law right hexan Department of Defense it's the same thing he's someone I didn't mention this in the post but in 9:49 his book He's essentially thinking about how um American soldiers should be used against the enemies within which is 9:54 Trump's idea you bring all these things together and basically what you have is something quite coherent which is the notion that the American government 10:01 should be falling apart American society should be in chaos and that would be a very good thing and of course it's only 10:07 a good thing if you're an enemy of the United States from abroad or if you're an oligarch who thinks that somehow 10:12 you're going to profit individually as everything else Falls to Pieces what do you tell people because I'm sure in the 10:18 last week and a half everybody's been emailing you and texting you and asking these questions what do we do now um we 10:25 know some bad things have happened we know things will get bad uh more bad 10:31 perhaps what what do we do yeah you got to maintain your own sense of what is good you have to maintain your own 10:36 vocabulary you can't normalize the other things that people are doing if it's grotesque you have to call out as 10:41 grotesque and we have to I'm afraid like if we're citizens we have to get past the post we have to get past the post- 10:47 Electoral moment and we have to think in terms of what's coming we have to stop being angry at what another and perhaps 10:54 think about some new alliances and if we're elected officials we have to slow this down and give Trump early defeats 11:01 so there's not a sense of momentum all of that you said something interesting I think a week ago when when we talked um 11:07 and you said you have to remember that you're the same people you were before the election your your values are the same as they were before the election 11:13 the things you prioritize are the same they were before the election so do the things that you do to make the world 11:18 around you better yeah if you're I mean the whole idea part of this is to shock you into a 11:24 different world but you have to take your sense of shock and say okay shock doesn't license by adapting myself to 11:30 the new thing shock means that something very wrong has happened and I have to remember what I think is right and start 11:36 from there Professor Schneider thank you we appreciate it we're going to ask you we're going to ask you back and we're 11:41 going to ask you similar questions uh on a regular basis because we're going to need you to help us uh get through this 11:47 and we appreciate all of the wisdom you bring to us Professor Timothy Snyder uh of Yale University he's the author of 11:53 The New York Times bestsellers on freedom and on tyranny and if you like that conversation or at least you thought it was valuable tomorrow morning 11:59 I'll be joined by someone who's got experience firsthand at what happens when a democracy turns toward a talk 12:05 here's one way to which voters would support Donald Trump quote Donald Trump was returned to Power by the most badly informed electorate in modern American 12:12 history the now president-elect according to one survey posted his biggest margin 53% to 27% among voters 12:18 who don't follow any news Trump's win was a Triumph of the ill-informed end 12:24 quote that's a quote from the Philadelphia inquir column written by Will Bunch who's going to join us just just a moment the problem is going to 12:30 get worse quote it's been estimated that half of us Counties have limited access 12:36 to Reliable local news and hundreds are so-called news deserts with no outlets 12:42 at all end quote and based on the controversial people uh that Donald Trump has already picked to serve in his 12:48 administration like the antivaxer and conspiracy theorist RFK Jr and telsey 12:53 gabard a known propagandist for Syria and Russia who Trump wants to install as the next director of 12:59 intelligence cery will now be credentialed will disinformation become 13:05 the norm and now stand behind the Seal of the United States of America there's now no expectation that many incoming 13:12 government officials at the highest levels have appropriate experience or expertise in the roles they serve only 13:18 fty in this case to Trump so how does the news media hold them to account 13:23 without abandoning its basic standards for what's true and what's false how do we tackle the problem of a badly 13:29 informed electorate when the bad information is now going to be the 13:34 official record joining us now will Bunch columnist at the Philadelphia Inquirer he's the author of after the 13:40 Ivory Tower Falls also joining us Tom Nichols staff writer for the Atlantic and author of the death of expertise we 13:45 have requests by the way Tom on social media for your cat because pretty much that's the only thing that's going to make people um uh put a smile on their 13:53 face today uh welcome to both you will talk to me for a second because I I I believe what you've written and I've 13:58 thought about it for a long time and I I I started in local news and I I really I understand its importance but tell me 14:05 what you think the correlation is why are the news deserts or the places where people don't watch news or their 14:11 inability or unwillingness to watch local news why does that affect their their politics well you know it's all about 14:18 trust um I mean trust in the media is just plunged to a shockingly low number 14:25 I think PE found it was 31% uh is the lowest number ever and you're seeing it 14:32 on all sides I mean conservatives have mistrusted the media for a long time but a lot of liberal folks uh have lost 14:39 faith in the mainstream media but I think the local news is is such core when you had uh thriving local 14:47 newspapers even even weekly papers in small towns you had journalists who were in your community you know people who 14:54 live there people you knew and trust and it created a climate of uh Civic 15:00 engagement you know positive information positive conversation and uh you know now this 15:07 situation that you mentioned where half the counties in America don't have a 15:12 functioning reliable new source and um the problem is information abor a vacuum 15:19 and what's been racing into that vacuum has been either disinformation um from all sorts of 15:26 sources whether it's whether it's your crazy uncle or whether it's some guy in 15:31 Russia who's working on behalf of Putin or these so-called Kink slime news sites 15:37 that are set up by uh ideologues to look like a newspaper but really they're 15:42 pedaling propaganda so people are people are getting it from all sides and um uh 15:50 it's hard we don't have an economic model right now right for re for rebuilding local news and uh that that's 15:57 the conversation we have to have we have to have this conversation you know is as I wrote in the column kind of kind of 16:03 like Ginger Rogers at this point we're you know we're walking backwards and high heels right and trying to fix the 16:09 media at the same time and it's a it's it's a it's a downward spiral at this point Tom I mean in in the process of 16:16 this downward spiral will and you and me we're trying to do our work we're trying to actually report on the stories and 16:23 you do that every day all week I mean I've been watching I can hear it in your in your words how incredulous you are 16:29 about the things that are going on but it's the same problem so in your in your world time it's not it's not necessarily 16:35 the absence of local news but it is distrust in media distrust in the truth distrust in the ability of people to 16:40 even give you the truth how do you see us fixing this well first we have to um confront 16:48 something that's really important because we always talk about this with the kind of the assumption that if we 16:53 build it they will come right that if only there were local newspapers again if only the local new newscast we on um 17:00 what we're missing here is that a large chunk of the fault here just REI um lies 17:05 with the American public they're we are now a Leisure Society we take in huge 17:10 amounts of entertainment we take in you know pedabytes of information uh you know over the course 17:17 of weeks and months that we simply can't process our tolerance for boredom for 17:22 nuance for detail is almost zero and this is what I wrote about in the death 17:28 of expertise that people they don't really want to read new stories um you 17:33 know there was a I was on a panel once with some with Dan Bal from The Washington Post and someone said you should write more explainers and very 17:40 you know calmly he said we write them you don't read them you won't read them and I think we have to deal with the 17:46 fact that there is that there is a kind of a resistance to people ever encountering news or being told about 17:52 anything that they think is unpleasant or uninteresting or contradicts things that they already believe and having 17:59 said that you know passionately I'm not sure what to do about it there is local news there there are you know through 18:05 the internet there are other reputable sources of news and will is sitting right here you know he you can read will 18:12 Bunch um but uh I don't know what to do about the fact that we've become a 18:17 society that is so um easily distracted and bored that that asking people to pay 18:23 attention to to you know to who's going to be the Secretary of Defense I mean my my parents were uneducated folks they 18:30 read the newspaper every day they would have been able to answer that question in 1969 or 1970 um today people just 18:38 don't seem to care that much about it and I'm not sure how to make them care until something disastrous happens will 18:45 wherever the fault lies I mean it's one of the most common questions I get when I'm out in the public how how does this get 18:50 fixed people say how do I curate my news better what can I do I understand that there's dirty water coming out of the 18:56 tap but where's the water filter what do I do about that I mean yeah you can read Tom Nicholls stuff you can read will 19:02 Bunch Tom you and I don't there are a lot of things upon which we don't share ideological views but I consume 19:07 literally everything you write because I get smarter for it will what is the tool for the average person who who wants 19:14 better news and better information well the thing is people are always going to want information and 19:19 they're always going to get information uh you know the problem is I think Tom diagnosed pretty well is that um 19:28 you know the the the ways that people get information have changed you know there's been so much talk this year 19:34 about the influence of of of Tik Tok for example or or other other sites like 19:40 that and um you know I think people in the media business are trying to figure 19:45 out how how do we repackage news for people who are getting news incidentally 19:51 or uh uh you know when they're going to sites for other things how how do we 19:56 break it down into smaller Snippets because people want information and people are obviously getting information 20:02 some ways it's just right now for the most part they're getting bad information so uh you know I think I 20:09 think the onus is on us to try and find people where they are and that's going 20:15 to take a lot of outside the box thinking at this point and and resources Tom the issue is the the the the 20:21 financial incentives for being a good news organization uh are are diminishing yeah I mean when I taught 20:27 undergraduates they're always shocked to find out that the evening news before the Vietnam War was only 15 minutes long 20:34 um because the Network's considered it a kind of a public service and a loss um you know a lost investment I want to 20:40 amend one thing that will pointed out though people will always want information I would amend that to say 20:46 people always want entertainment um and that's part of the problem is that the um you know the 20:53 trying to package news or to meet people where they are in a way where they 20:58 simply just don't tune out um is difficult to do um in part because 21:05 there's so much of it that in a in a weird way when the news was only 25 minutes uh at the end of a day everyone 21:12 had to watch it because that was it that was all the news you were going to get and now people think of the news as kind of um wallpaper as was one of my friends 21:19 with it just kind of wallpaper that's on all the time and um and again I'm not sure what to do with about that but I 21:26 think one thing you saw during Co um unfortunately is that when when there is a Terri a disaster and something 21:32 terrible happens excuse me people then start to pay attention to the news again and say no now I really want in I'm 21:39 scared I'm concerned I really want information I I just I wish it didn't require that level of of danger uh for 21:46 people to pay attention to the news but I'm not quite sure how to how to get kind of get that back guys thank you 21:52 very much Tom I'm talking to you again uh this weekend you've got a great deal of expertise in the in the military world and we're going to talk about some 21:57 of these appointments will I miss youday I'll bring my cat I appreciate that thank you sir and will I I I missed you today I was in Philly but good to see 22:04 you as always my the New York Times reported this story its birth rate falling Russia targets childfree 22:11 Lifestyles who do that sound like we're effectively run in this 22:16 country via the Democrats Bea via our corporate oligarchs by a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable 22:22 at their own lives and the choices that they've made and so they want to make the rest of the country miserable too 22:27 the times reports quote Russian lawmakers on Tuesday voted to ban the advocacy of childfree lifestyles in a 22:34 move that is part of a broader effort by the Kremlin to reverse a falling birth rate and promote the country as a 22:40 Bastion of Traditional Values that is battling a decadent West the state Duma 22:45 unanimously approved a bill that would ban any form of propaganda promoting the refusal to have children that would 22:52 include material on the internet in media outlets and movies and in advertising that portrays child-free 22:57 lifestyles as attractive violators would be subject to fines of up to about $4,000 for individuals and $50,000 for 23:05 legal entities the bill has been broadly endorsed by the Kremlin and is expected to be signed into law by President 23:11 Vladimir V Putin end quote Putin's objective of course uh is more practical than simply opposing the supposedly 23:18 decadent West the times notes quote Russia's population decline has been further exacerbated by the covid 23:24 pandemic and the war in Ukraine where Russia has lost up to 150,000 soldiers 23:30 so far according to estimates by Western governments and Russian researchers end quote there are some other reasons for 23:36 Russia's population decline cited in the article lower Russian life expectancy 23:41 loss of immigrant labor because of hardening attitudes about immigrants and Russians of childbearing age were born 23:48 during the chaos who were born between the chaos and poverty that accompanied the fall of the Soviet Union the Russian 23:54 population is less than half that of the United States it's actually declined since 1991 whereas America in that same period 24:01 has grown by 100 million people so it's not entirely it it it it's a it's clear why Putin is pushing this it's less 24:09 clear why the party about to take control of the entire US government is 24:14 and help make sense of that we turn to the New York Times best-selling author Gary steinard Gary good to see you thank you for being with us thank you um you 24:21 are a real student of the kind of propaganda you get in in Russia yes I was recently commissioned to spend five 24:27 days this is an that appear in the Atlantic 5 days in a hotel room watching three Russian State tv channels on 24:34 separate monitors I I came out of there barely alive psychologically speaking it's not something I would recommend it 24:40 was fascinating because uh so much uh of the stuff that I saw whether talk shows 24:47 or documentaries or feature films were contained so much abuse of women and 24:54 children that almost all of it was propaganda against having children taken from a woman's point of view right the 25:00 Russian Duma recently decriminalized domestic abuse unless it leads to the 25:06 wife or to the woman or child being put into the hospital wow so these are not exactly incentives for women to want to 25:13 have children in addition to the fact as the times noted that 150,000 Russian men if not more have died in the completely 25:20 senseless war in Ukraine and obviously many many more will so from all of the it's it's it reminds me a little bit of 25:26 the sort of Vance cat child comment in that women please have more children and at the same time you do everything 25:32 possible to make sure that women are denied all the rights and opportunities they would they would need to consider 25:38 having a family to begin with by the way a lesson that some of our propagandists here in the United States are taking 25:44 from Russia is we forget a lot of other cultures in the world a lot of other countries watch cable news even more 25:49 than we do and and watch but in Russia you don't have the choices you can't make choices about what you're watching 25:55 you do you had three channels they're all state controll they're all state controlled and they were amazing in that 26:01 they each one had pretty much the same thing to say so you know it's almost like they woke up and today's mission is 26:07 we're going to vilify George Soros you know so when you watch I I'm not a full-time Watcher of say o or or other 26:14 channels in America but I imagine that's exactly what it's like because it's the same program um for example Tucker 26:20 Carlson is always right uh Elon Musk is always right and George Soros is portrayed as uh a spider which isort a 26:28 very traditional anti-semitic imagery you know the Jew as a kind of controlling insect or Vermin or 26:33 something like that there's not even an attempt to hide any of these things and I think in some ways it's a kind of 26:39 template for what uh these kinds of news channels in America but also what the politicians who are now in cahoots 26:46 almost entirely with these new channels can news channels can can accomplish and by the way as it relates to Ukraine the 26:51 coverage on Russian TV is is about how they are aggressors Nazis actually they 26:57 use that symbolism and language how the far right the racist far right in in 27:03 Ukraine is is is doing that we have adopted similar things here where where 27:09 you can't just be against somebody they can't be on the other side it's an absolute vilification and dehumanization 27:14 of dehumanization I think is the right word they portray a Ukrainian uh rolling around in a pig sty with a pig I mean 27:21 this is just such very fascist imagery the you were talking about dehumanization that goes on constantly 27:27 but at the same time I could see Tulsi gber uh appearing on one of those talk shows via translator and being a big hit 27:33 in Russian in the same way that Tucker is so this is a very wellth thought out program what's truly amazing for me as 27:39 somebody who was born in the USSR is that when I was growing up I always thought after the Soviet collapse that Russia would become more and more like 27:45 America and with this second election of trump I'm thinking it's the opposite America is becoming more and more like 27:51 Russia getting rid of the rule of law um you know being uh dominated by an 27:57 oligarchical system right these are all things that I thought Russia would slowly grow out of but instead we're growing into it and the television which 28:04 as you've mentioned is watched by huge amounts of people especially people who are older who don't have as much access 28:10 to computers remember this is not a very rich country many people do not have access to even things like uh running 28:15 water in toilets there's a whole meme on the internet about Russian soldiers stealing toilets from Ukraine because 28:21 they've never seen one you know so they're going to take it back and replace the out house so all of this stuff is uh it's so depressing that uh 28:29 watching Russian TV for 5 days uh is probably the worst thing you could do with your life you I read your article 28:35 about it uh where you you actually document have died in the completely senseless war in Ukraine and obviously 28:41 many many more will so from all of the it's it's it reminds me a little bit of the sort of Vance cat child comment in 28:47 that women please have more children and at the same time you do everything possible to make sure that women are 28:53 denied all the rights and opportunities they would they would need to consider having a family to begin with by the way 28:59 a lesson that some of our propagandists here in the United States are taking from Russia is we forget a lot of other 29:05 cultures in the world a lot of other countries watch cable news even more than we do and and watch but in Russia 29:11 you don't have the choices you can't make choices about what you're watching you do you had three channels they're all state controlled they're all state 29:18 controlled and they were amazing in that they each one had pretty much the same thing to say so you know it's almost 29:24 like they woke up and today's mission is we're going to vilify George you know so when you watch I I'm not a 29:31 full-time Watcher of say o or or other channels in America but I imagine that's exactly what it's like because it's the 29:36 same program um for example Tucker Carlson is always right uh Elon Musk is 29:42 always right and George Soros is portrayed as uh a spider which is sort of very traditional anti-semitic imagery 29:49 you know the Jew is a kind of controlling insect or verman or something like that there's not even an 29:54 attempt to hide any of these things and I think in some ways it's a kind of template for what uh these kinds of news 30:01 channels in America but also what the politicians who are now in cahoots almost entirely with these new channels can news channels can can accomplish and by the way as it relates to Ukraine the coverage on Russian TV is is about how they are aggressors Nazis actually they use that symbolism and language how the far right the racist far right in in Ukraine is is is doing that we have adopted similar things here where where [Music] 30:46 [Music] 30:56 foree 31:02 fore for spee 31:10 [Music] 31:37 [Music] 31:53 [Music] fore 31:59 fore 32:07 fore spee speee 32:46 foreign 32:56 foreign for 33:54 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