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Date: 2024-07-17 Page is: DBtxt001.php txt00022723
US POLITICS
JANUARY 6TH

Mary Trump's Uncle is 'Terrified' of Cipollone


Pat Cipollone, the former White House counsel under President Donald Trump, arrives at an interview room in the Ford House Office Building to answer questions from investigators with the Jan. 6 Select Committee, on Capitol Hill in Washington, Friday, July 8, 2022. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
Is that the same over-the-shoulder look 007 used to give?

Original article: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/7/9/2109409/-Mary-Trump-s-Uncle-is-Terrified-of-Cipollone
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Mary Trump's Uncle is 'Terrified' of Cipollone

Dan K ... Community (This content is not subject to review by Daily Kos staff prior to publication.)

Saturday July 09, 2022 · 9:40 PM EDT

Mary Trump (niece of the Don, in case you’ve been on Mars until last week) was on MSNBC talking, once again, about the Great Orange Shitgibbon (GOS™) she is saddled with:

Trump Is 'Terrified' His White House Counsel Is Cooperating With Jan. 6 Panel: Mary Trump

“To say that Donald is terrified is accurate — and also an understatement,” Mary Trump told Katie Phang on MSNBC. “I think this might be the first time in his entire life that even he can’t deny that the walls may indeed be closing in.” (Watch the interview below.)

The “amount of evidence that we’ve seen coming out of these committee hearings is overwhelming,” she added. But what’s “even more troubling for him is the witnesses now coming forward are increasingly important ... and they’re unimpeachable,” Trump said.

Yes, unimpeachable. TFG can’t get away with saying he never heard of Pat Cipollone — oh, was he that coffee guy?

We’re starting to hear some details about what Cipollone was asked on Friday:

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Tim Mulvey, a spokesman for the panel, said the committee “received critical testimony on nearly every major topic in its investigation, reinforcing key points regarding Donald Trump’s misconduct and providing highly relevant new information that will play a central role in its upcoming hearings.”

“This includes information demonstrating Donald Trump’s supreme dereliction of duty,” Mr. Mulvey said. “The testimony also corroborated key elements of Cassidy Hutchinson’s testimony.”

That last sentence is a bit ambiguous, since the NYT story also says:

The panel did not press him to either corroborate or contradict some specific details of explosive testimony by Cassidy Hutchinson.

I’m not sure where to go with this. (It may just be sloppy reporting.) One observation I think it is safe to make is that, if Cipollone thought Hutchinson was mistaken (or worse) in any of her testimony involving him, he would have volunteered that information during his testimony. If silence gives consent, then here it also gives agreement.

One item not mentioned at all in the Times story was highlighted by CNN: Cipollone asserted executive privilege to some January 6 committee questions. Frustratingly, the CNN article doesn’t say which questions prompted that response (though the most likely ones would have been about direct conversations he had with Trump). The article does say that the committee felt he was forthcoming and provided a lot of new useful information:

A House select committee spokesperson told CNN the panel's interview with Cipollone was productive but said there was no agreement made to restrict any questions to avoid potential issues with executive privilege.

'In our interview with Mr. Cipollone, the Committee received critical testimony on nearly every major topic in its investigation, reinforcing key points regarding Donald Trump's misconduct and providing highly relevant new information that will play a central role in its upcoming hearings. This includes information demonstrating Donald Trump's supreme dereliction of duty. The testimony also corroborated key elements of Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony. Allegations of some pre-interview agreement to limit Cipillone's testimony are completely false,' committee spokesperson Tim Mulvey said.

So yes, the GOS has good reason to be afraid. Very afraid.

Back to Dr. Trump; she also has this to say about TFG next move, something I and others here have also been asserting:

Mary Trump believes “the motivating factor” behind any decision by her uncle to run for the presidency in 2024 would be an attempt to dodge prosecution for a lengthening list of potential criminal charges against him.

In the past “Donald has used two methods” to escape accountability, she said. “He’s run out the clock, or he’s outspent his opponents. That shouldn’t be allowed here. On top of those two things to use as an excuse that he’s running for office again? I think that [would] answer the question: ‘Is anybody above the law?’”

Two points about this (though I think she’s right): First, Trump will charge any indictment as being political, and that’s not going to change regardless of whether he runs or not. Second, Trump may well have the crazy idea from his time in the White House that, if he is a declared candidate, no one will indict him any more than they would indict the sitting president. (His ego is that big, and his understanding is that small.) For all that he pretends otherwise, Trump is now a private citizen and answerable for his past actions in a court of law.

Be afraid, Small Orange Shitgibbon, Be very afraid.

Saturday, Jul 9, 2022 · 11:45:14 PM EDT · Dan K Adding a thought here with h/t to FiredUpinCA:

Trump’s usual pattern is to attack any witness he thinks has given testimony against him. Trump has attacked the panel for subpoenaing Cipollone, but he has not said a single word that I can find about Cipollone himself, either before his closed-door testimony or even now that some of what Cipollone told the committee is starting to come out. The closest I could come is this:

'Why would a future President of the United States want to have candid and important conversations with his White House Counsel if he thought there was even a small chance that this person, essentially acting as a 'lawyer' for the Country, may some day be brought before a partisan and openly hostile Committee in Congress, or even a fair and reasonable Committee, to reveal the inner secrets of foreign policy or other important matters,' Trump wrote. 'So bad for the USA!'

The White House counsel is a lawyer for the White House (no scare quotes), not for the president. But Trump has always been a “l’etat c’est moi” kind of guy.



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